Thrust Vectoring - Jet Aircraft

[mgb_phys]

To go off on a tangent - I am watching a discovery channel program about the F22 fighter. A pilot (who looks about 15) is describing how the aircraft's engine is unique because it can vector thrust for manouverability and can fly supersonic without afterburner.
I suppose that's true now that Concorde and the original Harrier are now retired - but it is making me feel old!

 

[FredGarvin]

I know what you mean. I am someone who thinks he is perpetually 27 years old. When I see someone in a position like that and they are 26 or 27 it amazes me. It just occurred to me the other night watching a hockey game...I would be considered a retirement age player.

The F-22's engines are pretty incredible. The Sukhoi guys have the market on thrust vectoring.

 

[Cyrus]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2002313961490667235&q=Sukhoi&total=1728&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

wow, just wow.

 

[stewartcs]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2002313961490667235&q=Sukhoi&total=1728&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

wow, just wow.

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[ThienAn]

The U.S Military is a secret to us. I believe what you say earlier, but to launch off an incredible machine like F-22 (Raptor), they will need an incredible afterburner to reach beyond Mach.2, or just even barely break the sound barrier. However, F-22 is a pretty light-weight that packs a bunch, so maybe it can even surpass 1100ft/s without thounsand of thrusting engine. Hey, i know that the U.S Military is introducing "Aurora" in 2014.

 

[russ_watters]

Dude your Avatar ROCKS!

HO HO HO!

I've heard that American planes would be able to do the cobra maneuver if their avionics didn't prohibit it. The first plane to do it, after all, was the Mig-29, which is basically a knock-off of the F-18. The main reason is that though its neat to watch at an airshow, it isn't terribly useful in combat.

 

[FredGarvin]

I always thought it was a knock off of an F-15. It does have the great low speed abilities that the F-18 has though.

 

[russ_watters]

No, the mig-25 was its own thing. The F-15 is almost a knock-off of the mig-25, but is vastly superior. And you mean the mig29 has great low-speed handling, right (not the 25)? The extended/blended wing root is the key that on both planes.

 

[DaveC426913]

Wow. The thing does full backflip! Is that the Cobra Maneuver? I've read about that but I'd never seen it.

 

[FredGarvin]

No, the mig-25 was its own thing. The F-15 is almost a knock-off of the mig-25, but is vastly superior. And you mean the mig29 has great low-speed handling, right (not the 25)? The extended/blended wing root is the key that on both planes.

Where'd the Mig 25 come into this? I was referring to the Mig-29.