Thrust Vectoring - Jet Aircraft

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around thrust vectoring in jet aircraft, particularly focusing on the F-22 fighter and comparisons with other aircraft like the Sukhoi and Mig series. Participants explore the capabilities and technologies involved in thrust vectoring, as well as personal reflections on age and military aviation advancements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note the F-22's unique thrust vectoring capabilities that enhance maneuverability and allow supersonic flight without afterburners.
  • Others mention the Sukhoi aircraft as having a significant advantage in thrust vectoring technology.
  • There are claims about the F-22's lightweight design contributing to its performance, with speculation on its ability to exceed certain speeds without extensive thrust.
  • Participants discuss the cobra maneuver, with some suggesting that American aircraft could perform it if not for avionics restrictions, while others debate the relevance of such maneuvers in combat.
  • There is confusion regarding the relationship between the Mig-29 and F-15, with differing opinions on which aircraft influenced the other and their respective capabilities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the capabilities and design influences of various aircraft, particularly regarding the Mig-29 and F-15. There is no consensus on the specifics of their relationships or performance characteristics.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on assumptions about military technology and capabilities that are not fully substantiated within the discussion. There are also unresolved points regarding the performance metrics of the aircraft mentioned.

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To go off on a tangent - I am watching a discovery channel program about the F22 fighter. A pilot (who looks about 15) is describing how the aircraft's engine is unique because it can vector thrust for manouverability and can fly supersonic without afterburner.
I suppose that's true now that Concorde and the original Harrier are now retired - but it is making me feel old!
 
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I know what you mean. I am someone who thinks he is perpetually 27 years old. When I see someone in a position like that and they are 26 or 27 it amazes me. It just occurred to me the other night watching a hockey game...I would be considered a retirement age player.

The F-22's engines are pretty incredible. The Sukhoi guys have the market on thrust vectoring.
 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2002313961490667235&q=Sukhoi&total=1728&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

wow, just wow.
 
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Cyrus said:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2002313961490667235&q=Sukhoi&total=1728&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

wow, just wow.

Dude your Avatar ROCKS!

HO HO HO!
 
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The U.S Military is a secret to us. I believe what you say earlier, but to launch off an incredible machine like F-22 (Raptor), they will need an incredible afterburner to reach beyond Mach.2, or just even barely break the sound barrier. However, F-22 is a pretty light-weight that packs a bunch, so maybe it can even surpass 1100ft/s without thounsand of thrusting engine. Hey, i know that the U.S Military is introducing "Aurora" in 2014.
 
stewartcs said:
Dude your Avatar ROCKS!

HO HO HO!
I've heard that American planes would be able to do the cobra maneuver if their avionics didn't prohibit it. The first plane to do it, after all, was the Mig-29, which is basically a knock-off of the F-18. The main reason is that though its neat to watch at an airshow, it isn't terribly useful in combat.
 
I always thought it was a knock off of an F-15. It does have the great low speed abilities that the F-18 has though.
 
No, the mig-25 was its own thing. The F-15 is almost a knock-off of the mig-25, but is vastly superior. And you mean the mig29 has great low-speed handling, right (not the 25)? The extended/blended wing root is the key that on both planes.
 
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Wow. The thing does full backflip! Is that the Cobra Maneuver? I've read about that but I'd never seen it.
 
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No, the mig-25 was its own thing. The F-15 is almost a knock-off of the mig-25, but is vastly superior. And you mean the mig29 has great low-speed handling, right (not the 25)? The extended/blended wing root is the key that on both planes.
Where'd the Mig 25 come into this? I was referring to the Mig-29.
 

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