Does Time Exist Without Perception or External Cues?

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The discussion centers on the philosophical and biological implications of time perception, particularly in scenarios where external cues are absent. Participants argue that while a person may not consciously experience time when frozen or asleep, internal biological processes continue to function, suggesting that time exists independently of perception. The role of specialized neurons in the brain, which act as an internal clock, is highlighted, indicating that even in isolation, individuals can perceive time differently. The conversation references Michel Siffre's research on circadian rhythms, emphasizing the body's innate mechanisms for tracking time.

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Just imagine, a man who has been frozen completely, cannot move, does not sense, but he is alive and his internal organs are working perfectly. What is time for him? I mean, he is not sensing anything he is not sensing his living nor anything that is going around him?
So, time doesn't exist for him does it?Isn't time something that man has assumed to keep track of happenings or events around him?
 
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if his internal organs are working to keep him alive, that's motion. So then his organs should be experiencing time. Maybe his frozen outer body would not experience a normal aging process but i think his internal organs would.

Its normal to not experience time while sleeping and the body is at complete rest, but that timeless experience due to an abnormal sense of memory while sleeping. All the while, despite that sleep makes you look better, your still aging while you sleep. Another interesting fact I've heard is that the more you sleep the longer you might live. I don't think this has anything to due with time, but everything to do with sleep being a natural body re-fueler.
 
Well, I've been hearing all the time that the more you sleep the lesser you will live! Well that's from my mother because I sleep a lot. But living is nothing but experiencing time isn't it and if you are sleeping you do not experience time.So how can you say that?My mother is right after all...
 
If he is conscience, i.e... can still think and not asleep, then absolutely he will experience time. The brain has a specialized group of neurons that act as a very precise internal 'clock', but its really more like a metronome.
 
Are those specialised group of neurons the reason why we get up from bed and say " I slept a lot"
 
Sleeping is a different circumstance all together. While asleep your brain behaves very differently than while awake, in ways that we certainly don't fully understand. However, if you were blind and deaf and locked in an environment that never changes, you could still perceive time. Granted, you must remember that it is much more like a metronome then a clock.
 
But do you think,if I am locked up in a small, pitch dark room with no light nor clock or watch and I stay awake for around four days, food and water coming through a cat-flap kind of thing, my specialised group of neutrons will get confused and my senses of time will become sort of unusual. Do you think my ideas about day and night will change??
 
dude, just smoke some bud, or take some amphetamines, depending on how you want to change the rate of time
 
This a reply that should have been given to a similar question in the biology section, not here!:rolleyes:
 
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Phy6explorer said:
But do you think,if I am locked up in a small, pitch dark room with no light nor clock or watch and I stay awake for around four days, food and water coming through a cat-flap kind of thing, my specialised group of neutrons will get confused and my senses of time will become sort of unusual. Do you think my ideas about day and night will change??

Absolutely you will be confused as to night and day, but your body will eventually go into a 25 hour sleep cycle regardless of what time it is outside ( Google: MICHEL SIFFRE). My point being yes we have an internal biological clock type mechanism, but no it does not keep track of things like day/night or time of year without external influence, only say seconds and hours.
 

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