Time-dependent to time-independent Schrödinger equation

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which separation of variables can be applied to the time-dependent Schrödinger equation. Participants explore the implications of time independence in potentials and the general applicability of this mathematical technique in solving differential equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the general conditions that allow for separation of variables in the time-dependent Schrödinger equation.
  • One participant notes that the separability of time dependence is a simplifying assumption that holds true when the potential is time-independent, while it becomes untenable if the potential is time-dependent.
  • Another participant emphasizes that separation of variables is a general technique applicable to multivariable differential equations, contingent upon the ability to algebraically manipulate the equation.
  • A later reply suggests considering the representation of the wave function as a product of its "spatial" part and "spin" part as a method to simplify the analysis of multivariable differential equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the specific conditions under which separation of variables is valid, indicating that multiple competing views remain on the topic.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions about the potential's time dependence and the mathematical manipulations required for separation of variables, which remain unresolved.

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Why you can do separation of variables in time-dependent

Schrödinger equation

i \hbar \frac{\partial \psi(\vec{r},t)}{\partial t}=-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\Delta \psi(\vec{r},t)+V(\vec{r})\psi(\vec{r},t)
with
\psi(\vec{r},t)=\varphi(\vec{r})T(t)
and when in general is that possible?
 
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LagrangeEuler said:
and when in general is that possible?
When it works!
 
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And when it works?
 
The separability of time dependence is a simplifying assumption in the context of the explicit time independence of the potential. But a strict condition is valid in the opposite way: If the potential is time-dependent, the assumption of splitting (separation of) variables is untenable.
 
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LagrangeEuler said:
And when it works?
Separation of variables is a general technique for solving multivariable differential equations, when we can algebraically manipulate the equation to get all of one variable on one side and all of the other variable on the other side.

The Schrödinger equation takes this form when the Hamiltonian is a function of position but not of time.
 
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I think it would be better to later look into how the wave function can also be represented as a product of it's "spatial" part and "spin" part
This is a widely used method to simplify multivariable differential equations..
 
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