Time Derivative: How Does 2x Differ from x² Differ?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the time derivatives of a function and its square, specifically exploring the expressions involving the first and second time derivatives of a function and how they relate to the time derivative of the square of that function. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to calculus and the chain rule.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the expression 2 multiplied by the first and second time derivatives of a function relates to the time derivative of the square of that function.
  • Another participant clarifies that the correct interpretation involves using the chain rule, stating that 2 times the second derivative of a function equals the derivative of the square of the first derivative of that function.
  • It is noted that the expression can be derived using the chain rule, leading to the conclusion that the time derivative of the square of the first derivative equals 2 times the first derivative multiplied by the second derivative.
  • There is a correction regarding the initial interpretation of the expressions, with participants refining their statements and acknowledging mistakes in their earlier claims.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of the chain rule to derive the relationship between the derivatives, but there is no consensus on the initial interpretations of the expressions, as some participants corrected their earlier statements.

Contextual Notes

Some participants expressed uncertainty regarding their initial formulations and acknowledged errors in their interpretations, indicating a need for clarity in the mathematical expressions discussed.

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I'm wondering, how does 2 multiplied by the first and second time derivatives of x equal the time derivative of the time derivative of x squared. Thanks.
 
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Ummm... You mean,
[tex]2\frac{d^2}{dt^2} f(t) = \frac{d}{dt} \left(\frac{d}{dt} f(t) \right)^2[/tex]
This would be done by the chain rule. That is,
[tex]\frac{d}{dx} (f(x))^2 = 2f(x)\frac{d}{dx}f(x)[/tex]
In this sense, we take the two from the power of d/dt f(t) and take that as a coefficient, reduce the power by one, and then take the time derivative of d/dt f(t). I originally interpreted your question as
[tex]2\frac{d}{dt}\frac{d^2}{dt^2} f(t) = \frac{d}{dt} \left(\frac{d}{dt} f(t) \right)^2[/tex]
but I do not feel this expression is true.

EDIT: Ok, let's fix this.

Ummm... You mean,
[tex]2\frac{d}{dt}f(t)\frac{d^2}{dt^2} f(t) = \frac{d}{dt} \left(\frac{d}{dt} f(t) \right)^2[/tex]
This would be done by the chain rule. That is,
[tex]\frac{d}{dx} (f(x))^2 = 2f(x)\frac{d}{dx}f(x)[/tex]
In this sense, we take the two from the power of d/dt f(t) and take that as a coefficient, reduce the power by one, and then take the time derivative of d/dt f(t).
 
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Let v = dx/dt and a = dv/dt. Then I believe he means, why does 2va = d/dt (v^2)?

It immediately follows from the chain rule:

d/dt(v^2) = 2v*d/dt(v) = 2va
 
nicksauce said:
Let v = dx/dt and a = dv/dt. Then I believe he means, why does 2va = d/dt (v^2)?

It immediately follows from the chain rule:

d/dt(v^2) = 2v*d/dt(v) = 2va

Ahh gotcha, I missed an f in there when I wrote it out on paper.

[tex]2\frac{d}{dt}f(t)\frac{d^2}{dt^2} f(t) = \frac{d}{dt} \left(\frac{d}{dt} f(t) \right)^2[/tex]

Of course that would make my original statement wrong too...

I need more coffee.
 
Awesome, thanks a lot for the help. I appreciate it.
 

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