Time-independent SE linear combination solution help

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The discussion revolves around deriving the Time-Independent Schrödinger Equation (TISE) and understanding the solution in terms of a linear combination of eigenfunctions. Participants are exploring the separation of variables technique, the meaning of energy in the context of the equation, and the transition to an infinite series solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • The initial poster is attempting to derive the TISE and questions the definition of energy, ##E##, as presented in Griffiths' textbook.
  • Some participants propose that the equality involving ##E## arises because two functions dependent on different variables can only be equal if they are both equal to a constant, which is identified as energy.
  • Another participant notes that the solution can be expressed as an infinite series due to the linearity of the Schrödinger equation, suggesting that any linear combination of solutions is also a solution.
  • There is a request for clarification on how to transition from the differential equation to an infinite series solution, indicating a gap in understanding the steps involved.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the derivation process and the meaning of energy in the context of the TISE. There is no consensus on the specific steps to arrive at the infinite series solution, and the discussion remains unresolved on this point.

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Participants have noted limitations in the textbook's explanations and the initial poster's access to their professor, which may contribute to the confusion regarding the derivation steps and definitions.

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Hello,

I am trying to derive the TISE, but I am having many questions, and the textbook (Griffiths) does not give any adequate explanation and I have minimal access to my professor. My goal is to find ##\Psi (x,t)##. The book says the solution is

$$ \Psi (x,t) = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} c_{n} \psi_{n}(x) exp(\frac {-iE_{n}t}{\hbar}) $$

So I start with the general SE (I am just taking this as a fact since the first page of Griffiths puts this equation and says its right)

$$ i \hbar \frac {\partial \Psi}{\partial t} = - \frac {\hbar^{2}}{2m} \frac {\partial^{2} \Psi}{\partial x^{2}} + V \Psi $$

I can separate ##\Psi (x,t) = \psi (x) f(t)## and substitute

$$ i \hbar \frac {\partial [\psi (x) f(t)]}{\partial t} = - \frac {\hbar^{2}}{2m} \frac {\partial^{2} [\psi (x) f(t)]}{\partial x^{2}} + V [\psi (x) f(t)]$$

Then divide by ##\psi (x) f(t)## in order to have the potential, ##V##, stand alone

$$ i \hbar \frac {1}{f} \frac {\partial [f(t)]}{\partial t} = - \frac {\hbar^{2}}{2m} \frac {1}{\psi (x)} \frac {\partial^{2} [\psi (x)]}{\partial x^{2}} + V $$

Now comes the first question. Griffiths says (without explanation)

$$ i \hbar \frac {1}{f(t)} \frac {\partial [f(t)]}{\partial t} = - \frac {\hbar^{2}}{2m} \frac {1}{\psi (x)} \frac {\partial^{2} [\psi (x)]}{\partial x^{2}} + V = E $$

Now, what exactly is ##E##? Is this "equality" actually just a definition, such that ##E## is just defined this way? Also, does ##E## stand for "energy"?

Anyways, they go on to find ##f(t)##, which with trivial integration is exponential, and ##f(t) = exp( \frac {-iE}{\hbar} t)##

So now I'm at this point, and I am not seeing how I will find ## \Psi (x,t) ##. I do know ## \Psi (x,t) = \psi (x) exp( \frac {-iE}{\hbar} t)## My guess is to try and substitute back into the SE

$$ i \hbar \frac {\partial [\psi (x) exp( \frac {-iE}{\hbar} t)]}{\partial t} = - \frac {\hbar^{2}}{2m} \frac {\partial^{2} [\psi (x) exp( \frac {-iE}{\hbar} t)]}{\partial x^{2}} + V [\psi (x) exp( \frac {-iE}{\hbar} t)] $$

Okay, well where the heck do I get this linear combination? This just got ugly, and the book doesn't show the steps.
 
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The equality in your first question comes about because you have two functions, each dependent on a different variable, which are equal. The only way to get this is if both functions are equal to something that depends on neither variable i.e. a constant. The choice of calling this constant ##E## is made a posteriori and does indeed refer to energy.

I'm afraid I can't remember how to answer your second question, which is a shame since I only learned it last year out of the same textbook!
 
Anyone know how to make that critical step to go from the differential equation to a solution that is an infinite series?
 
The solution constructed as an infinite series is derived from the linearity of the Schroedinger equation. If you found two solutions then any linear combination of the two solutions is a solution of the Schroedinger equation.
 

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