Titration of Sulfurous Acid: Calculating pH with Ka Values

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The discussion revolves around the titration of sulfurous acid with sodium hydroxide, focusing on calculating the pH after a specific volume of the base has been added. Participants explore the implications of the acid being dibasic and the relevant equilibrium considerations in determining the pH, rather than relying solely on stoichiometric calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants emphasize the need to account for sulfurous acid being dibasic, suggesting that the first deprotonation is essentially complete before considering the second.
  • There is a discussion about treating the problem as an equilibrium calculation rather than a simple stoichiometric one, with references to the relevant equations for pH calculation.
  • One participant notes that the pH should be just above the second pKa value, indicating that the number of moles of base added should be slightly more than 1.5 times the moles of sulfurous acid.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about how to incorporate multiple Ka values into their calculations, indicating a gap in understanding the equilibrium concepts involved.
  • One suggestion is made to assume complete neutralization of the first proton before starting the stoichiometric calculation for the second proton, due to the significant difference in pKa values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to solving the problem, with differing opinions on how to handle the dibasic nature of sulfurous acid and the implications for pH calculation. Some participants suggest equilibrium considerations while others focus on stoichiometric methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of understanding the equilibrium between the species involved (HSO3- and SO32-) and the limitations of the provided information in the original problem statement.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students studying acid-base titrations, particularly those grappling with the complexities of dibasic acids and equilibrium calculations in introductory chemistry courses.

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Homework Statement


A 0.551 L solution of 1.37 M sulfurous acid (Ka1 = 1.5e-2 and Ka2 = 1.0e-7) is titrated with 1.65 M NaOH. What will the pH of the solution be when 0.7549 L of the NaOH has been added? The answer is 7.27.

Homework Equations


-log(H+)=pH
pH = pKa + log(salt/acid)

The Attempt at a Solution


I find the moles of the weak acid and strong base. After neutralization the strong base is left over. I find the concentration of the remaining moles of base. Then use -log(OH)=pOH. Then 14-pOH = pH. I keep getting 13.95. This is wrong, and I don't know how to get the right answer.
 
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davev said:

Homework Statement


A 0.551 L solution of 1.37 M sulfurous acid (Ka1 = 1.5e-2 and Ka2 = 1.0e-7) is titrated with 1.65 M NaOH. What will the pH of the solution be when 0.7549 L of the NaOH has been added? The answer is 7.27.

Homework Equations


-log(H+)=pH
pH = pKa + log(salt/acid)

The Attempt at a Solution


I find the moles of the weak acid and strong base. After neutralization the strong base is left over. I find the concentration of the remaining moles of base. Then use -log(OH)=pOH. Then 14-pOH = pH. I keep getting 13.95. This is wrong, and I don't know how to get the right answer.

We'd really have to guess from the (lack of) information you give of your calculations. However my guess is you haven't taken account of the fact the acid is dibasic.

Anyway you are treating it like a stoichiometric calculation. It isn't, it's a calculation of an equilibrium, more exactly a pH-equilibrium, subject of the largest number of problems in this section of this site. You haven't used the relevant equation which you quote.

If there is no mistake in the question and given answer, since the pH is just above the pKa2 of 7, the number of moles of base added should be just over about 3/2 × moles of suphurous acid - the first deprotonation essentially complete and you have a bit less than half HSO3- and a bit over half SO32-. This question is really just about the equilibrium between those two species and H+ .
 
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epenguin said:
We'd really have to guess from the (lack of) information you give of your calculations. However my guess is you haven't taken account of the fact the acid is dibasic.

Anyway you are treating it like a stoichiometric calculation. It isn't, it's a calculation of an equilibrium, more exactly a pH-equilibrium, subject of the largest number of problems in this section of this site. You haven't used the relevant equation which you quote.

If there is no mistake in the question and given answer, since the pH is just above the pKa2 of 7, the number of moles of base added should be just over about 3/2 × moles of suphurous acid - the first deprotonation essentially complete and you have a bit less than half HSO3- and a bit over half SO32-. This question is really just about the equilibrium between those two species and H+ .

How do I solve this problem in a way that would make sense given what I know at an introductory college chemistry level? Sorry, I just don't understand how to incorporate multiple Ka values even with the equation listed.
 
The difference between pKa values is so large (>3) you can safely assume first proton was completely neutralized before the neutralization of the second started. Then assume the neutralization of the second proton was stoichiometric, and use this information to find pH from the ratio of A2- and HA- concentrations.
 

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