To use or NOT to use ChatGPT that is the Question Lawsuit

[jedishrfu]

A graduate student is accused of using ChatGPT to answer questions on a test leading to his dismissal and subsequent lawsuit and everyone is watching:

 

[Hornbein]

I can't be bothered to watch all of that but I expect he's going to lose that lawsuit. It seems to me that this thread is mislabeled. His defense is that he didn't use ChatGPT, that it's all a coincidence, not that using it on a test is OK.

Some universities such as Cal Tech have a tradition of take home exams, even with time limits. That's not the norm though, and you know why.

When I do hard geometry it's all with the subconscious. I get the problem firmly in mind. If I start going in circles then make an effort to not think about it. Sometimes the solution will pop in the next day. That only works because I know the basic relations needed for the solution. If I had to look up one of those in a text then this method would fail. Could AI solve such a problem? In my very limited experience I say no unless the answer is in the literature already.

Even today I do lots of quick estimations of numbers in my head. If I had always relied on a calculator then I couldn't do that. That would be disadvantageous. I think calculators should not be allowed in tests of basic math. You have to know how to do it yourself or you will often become lost in the woods, not realizing when your answer is way off and so forth.

Even back in 1990 when I was a teaching assistance some students would do their homework with the aid of Mathematica. I was vaguely aware of this but thought this was OK. It's not going to help them on a test, they should come to me to teach them how to do it themselves, and if they don't that's their problem. If ChatGPT can teach them, so much the better. If Chat gets it wrong their homework will be marked down. The student will know and can do something about it.

 

[erobz]

The bed has been made by science and engineering…It’s Pandora’s box. I think we are on the verge of an existential crisis of figuring out what is humanity’s role in the future of humanity. The analog to the Industrial Revolution is here for the other component of human purpose…thought. There is thinking and doing. Dr Frankenstein’s monster will soon be alive. Who do we blame for what is happening?!? It’s Dr Frankenstein.

The other day my uncle in his 60’s had GROK write 432 lines of flawless code in a matter of seconds by simply telling it what he wanted. He’s not a programmer. He is involved in government research for a long time. He says the standard is like average 8 lines of code a day after debugging from software engineers. I’m pretty sure he works with some of the best…I guess the whole “learn to code” thing is over. Why bother?

 

[Hornbein]

The industrial revolution began with automated looms, causing weavers to lose their income. This contributed to 1848's partial revolutions in many European countries. Today's German flag was the flag of the rebellion.

"Sabotage" comes from Frenchmen throwing sabots [shoes] into automated looms.

Liberal reforms were won. Revolutionaries who feared the state and/or wanted a freer life left for Wisconsin, leading to the strong German presence there today, prowess in the brewing of beer, and the Green Bay Packers.

 

[erobz]

The industrial revolution began with automated looms, causing weavers to lose their income. This contributed to 1848's partial revolutions in many European countries. Today's German flag was the flag of the rebellion.

"Sabotage" comes from Frenchmen throwing sabots [shoes] into automated looms.

Liberal reforms were won. Revolutionaries who feared the state and/or wanted a freer life left for Wisconsin, leading to the strong German presence there today, prowess in the brewing of beer, and the Green Bay Packers.

Interesting! Weavers were basically programmers too I believe in the philosophical sense. It seems A.I. takes out its direct competition first!

 

[Hornbein]

Interesting! Weavers were basically programmers too I believe in the philosophical sense. It seems A.I. takes out its direct competition first!

Toyota was originally a loom company and still is. I've been to the Toyota museum in Nagoya which was one of the most amazing things I ever have seen. The coolest machines retire to this building. You can watch them work. One of the looms carried the threads on jets of water. There's a ten ton press which is massive as can be. Push a button and watch it go.