Today I Learned

  • Thread starter Thread starter Greg Bernhardt
  • Start date Start date
AI Thread Summary
Today I learned that cleaning a white hat can be done with bleach cleaner, but it’s important to rinse it before wearing it again. I also discovered that "oyster veneering," a woodworking technique from the late 1600s, is experiencing a minor revival despite its labor-intensive nature. Additionally, I learned that the factorial of 23 (23!) equals 25,852,016,738,884,976,640,000, which interestingly has 23 digits, a unique coincidence among factorials. I found out that medical specialists often spend less than 10 minutes with patients, and that watching TV can contribute to weight gain. Other insights included the fact that a kiss can transfer around 80 million microbes, and that bureaucracy can sometimes hinder employment opportunities. The discussion also touched on various trivia, such as the emotional sensitivity of barn owls and the complexities of gravitational lensing around black holes.
  • #3,201
I was catching up on this thread just now, with my iPOD playing in the background. Just as I read this post:
Klystron said:
Teach it to smoke a tiny hookah while sitting on a mushroom...
Just then the Airplane song was playing and in fact Grace Slick sang "hookah" as I read the word on the screen.

Is there a word for that coincidence? When you are reading and someone speaks the word as you read it? It seems to happen often.
 
  • Like
Likes Klystron and BillTre
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #3,202
gmax137 said:
I was catching up on this thread just now, with my iPOD playing in the background. Just as I read this post:

Just then the Airplane song was playing and in fact Grace Slick sang "hookah" as I read the word on the screen.

Is there a word for that coincidence? When you are reading and someone speaks the word as you read it? It seems to happen often.
Serendipity. These confluences of ideas occur so often one can almost believe they are connected; information linked; things occur just out of sight in brief glimpses.
 
  • #3,203
gmax137 said:
I was catching up on this thread just now, with my iPOD playing in the background. Just as I read this post:

Just then the Airplane song was playing and in fact Grace Slick sang "hookah" as I read the word on the screen.

Is there a word for that coincidence? When you are reading and someone speaks the word as you read it? It seems to happen often.

Oh no, did he just bring up a probability concept?
 
  • #3,204
Today I learned from PF that we can say

This poll will close: Tomorrow at 7:53 PM.

:bugeye:
 
  • #3,205
Hiragana (Basic Japanese alphabets)
 
  • #3,206
Today I learned (once again) that physics reuses acronyms.

Now I always realized that I learned electronics at a young age when vacuum tubes were high tech from many old textbooks and papers and that my knowledge was pragmatic and practical from many years experience with RF. My somewhat geometrical understanding of electromagnetic fields (emf) serves me well, seems to agree with observations and most experts on these forums and I do not try to teach my personal approach in keeping with PF policy. No trouble understanding modern circuits.

Today I learned that some people intend emf as an acronym for electromotive force and regard this force (?), not electromagnetic fields, as central to understanding electronics. Of course, I am familiar with classical concepts and also understand modern teachers deconstruct electric and magnetic fields as an aid to understanding both.

I feel strange, as if I have journeyed too far from home.
 
  • Like
Likes Hsopitalist
  • #3,207
Google will let you graph two functions of a single variable if a comma separates each function.
 
  • #3,208
TIL to avoid cough medicines that contain dextromethorphan (very common apparently), at least until you get your SARS-CoV-2 vaccination...

jim mcnamara said:
An interesting side note: dextromethorphan (cough syrup med) seems to encourage the virus in lab tests. They are going to evaluate whether this is a real effect before notifying clinicians to stop patients from taking the drug for a cough. Ironically one of the symptoms of Covid 19.

berkeman said:
Looks to be pretty common. It's in both of the cough medicines we had in our cabinet. Guess we'll set these aside until we get vaccinated next month... :wink:

View attachment 262289

https://www.kqed.org/science/1963298/common-ingredient-in-common-cough-medicine-might-promote-coronavirus-study-finds
 
  • #3,209
  • #3,210
Humid air is lighter than dry air!

I'd never really thought about it, so it seemed obvious that adding water to air would make it heavier. Then, it was even more obvious that it is true once you think about the molecular weights. Very counter intuitive - Science FTW!

https://phys.org/news/2020-05-cold-air-riseswhat-earth-climate.html
 
  • Like
Likes Astronuc, collinsmark, david2 and 1 other person
  • #3,212
DaveE said:
Humid air is lighter than dry air!
I remember also being surprised on this one. So many words about the heavy humid air, or the fog laying like a blanket... And then I was surprised at myself for thinking otherwise.
 
  • #3,214
Today I learned that over-enthusiastic gardening can take out an astrophysicist as well as rock stars.
 
  • Like
Likes collinsmark, DennisN and atyy
  • #3,215
Hsopitalist said:
Today I learned that over-enthusiastic gardening can take out an astrophysicist as well as rock stars.
The ones who read or found the news article know what and whom you're talking about.
 
  • Like
Likes Hsopitalist
  • #3,216
Trying to look for the astrophysicist I learned that Roy Horn (of Siegfried & Roy) died yesterday. COVID-19.
 
  • #3,217
mfb said:
Trying to look for the astrophysicist I learned that Roy Horn (of Siegfried & Roy) died yesterday. COVID-19.

Brian May, guitarist from Queen
 
  • #3,218
Hsopitalist said:
Brian May, guitarist from Queen
was "taken out" temporarily by gardening, not Covid-19.
 
  • #3,219
Hsopitalist said:
Brian May, guitarist from Queen
I recently saw a couple of videos about the guitars and gear of famous guitarists, and I learned that Brian May doesn't use picks, but coins (23:15-):

 
  • Like
Likes atyy and collinsmark
  • #3,220
Today I learned that you can put ice cream in coffee to soften the taste. I usually use milk, but I tried ice cream today since I did not want to go and buy new milk until I needed more from the supermarket.
 
  • Like
Likes atyy and collinsmark
  • #3,221
Hsopitalist said:
Today I learned that over-enthusiastic gardening can take out an astrophysicist as well as rock stars.
The interesting thing is this Brian May incident's timing seems to coincide with "World Naked Gardening Day," as best I can tell.

World_Naked_Gardening_Day.jpg


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day

But I can't confirm that it's not a coincidence. It would seem reasonable though.
 
  • Haha
  • Like
Likes berkeman, DennisN and BillTre
  • #3,222
DennisN said:
Today I learned that you can put ice cream in coffee to soften the taste. I usually use milk, but I tried ice cream today since I did not want to go and buy new milk until I needed more from the supermarket.
One day you can hopefully learn what that means about the quality of your coffees. But did the cream or the milk really help, or did it just add something to make the coffee "better"?
 
  • #3,223
DennisN said:
Today I learned that you can put ice cream in coffee to soften the taste. I usually use milk, but I tried ice cream today since I did not want to go and buy new milk until I needed more from the supermarket.

What flavour? What brand?
 
  • #3,224
symbolipoint said:
But did the cream or the milk really help, or did it just add something to make the coffee "better"?
It helped me at least :smile:. I usually don't like my coffee black.

atyy said:
What flavour? What brand?
Vanilla/Chocolate. A Swedish brand called GB Glace.

The coffee with ice cream tasted a bit like coffee with cream.
 
  • Like
Likes Klystron and atyy
  • #3,225
TIL a new word: Nowcasting

I've been attempting to do "nowcasting" for several weeks now, but didn't know there was a word for it. I believe it was the following document where I first found it used:

The Nowcasting created an estimate of the gradient of the number carried out already SARS-CoV-2 disease cases in Germany in consideration of diagnostic, reporting and transmission delay. Building on the Nowcasting the time-dependent reproduction number R can be estimated.

I believe it is a fairly new word, as it doesn't show up in many dictionaries: 2 out of 9 that I checked
 
  • #3,226
OmCheeto said:
TIL a new word: Nowcasting

I've been attempting to do "nowcasting" for several weeks now, but didn't know there was a word for it. I believe it was the following document where I first found it used:

The Nowcasting created an estimate of the gradient of the number carried out already SARS-CoV-2 disease cases in Germany in consideration of diagnostic, reporting and transmission delay. Building on the Nowcasting the time-dependent reproduction number R can be estimated.

I believe it is a fairly new word, as it doesn't show up in many dictionaries: 2 out of 9 that I checked
There should be an established term for it, since it is merely a gliding average, something the chartists among the analysts deal with every day.
 
  • #3,227
fresh_42 said:
There should be an established term for it, since it is merely a gliding average, something the chartists among the analysts deal with every day.
"merely a gliding average" sounds like a very oversimplified phrase for what I've been doing.
I would call it "a menagerie of headache inducing gliding average puzzle pieces, none of which fit the whole."
 
  • Haha
Likes Klystron and fresh_42
  • #3,228
OmCheeto said:
I believe it is a fairly new word,
I first heard it six or seven years ago (edit: and the way it was presented suggested to me that it was very nearly brand new then). As far as I understand it's applying textbook forecasting techniques to data that you get with a delay to predict what the data would be for today. So if you get, for example, COVID deaths up to last week then make a one week forecast to estimate deaths up to today, you may call it a nowcast instead of a forecast.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
  • Informative
Likes Klystron and OmCheeto
  • #3,229
fresh_42 said:
There should be an established term for it, since it is merely a gliding average, something the chartists among the analysts deal with every day.
I think it was called forecasting until someone came up with a catchy name for the specific case of forecasting slightly lagged data up to the present.

As far as I'm aware you are correct that it's just applying standard forecasting techniques (I haven't heard of a gliding average - guessing you've transliterated from German and mean a moving average?). However, you do have to be more aware of the reliability, and lack thereof, of recent data in order to make decent short term forecasts from it. So it's a slightly different context for using those techniques.
 
Last edited:
  • #3,230
Ibix said:
I first heard it six or seven years ago. As far as I understand it's applying textbook forecasting techniques to data that you get with a delay to predict what the data would be for today. So if you get, for example, COVID deaths up to last week, then you make a one week forecast to estimate deaths up to today and call it a nowcast instead of a forecast.
Thanks!
A little more snooping on my part found:

"WSFO Washington's "Nowcasting" program for its local service area..." [Ref: pdf; page 5/20]
circa 1971

So it's at least 49 years old!

Ibix said:
I think it was called forecasting until someone came up with a catchy name for the specific case of forecasting slightly lagged data up to the present.

I think that the use by meteorologists is quite a bit different than how I use it.
They use it to mean "very very short term forecasting".
I use it to determine current infection rates.

My nowcasting is currently based on several assumptions:
1. No one knows how many people are currently infected, due to many factors
2. The CFR is ≈4%
3. The average lag between case detection and death is ≈15 days
4. There are a few more complicating fudge factors, which vary from one locale to another.

So if I know how many people died as of today, I can predict how many people were infected 2 weeks ago, and from the trend of the graph around that period, predict how many people are infected today.

I think a good synonym for it would be "guesstimate".

Which is listed at Merriam-Webster:
Definition of guesstimate​
: an estimate usually made without adequate information​
 
  • #3,231
OmCheeto said:
So it's at least 49 years old!
Wow. I thought it was a lot newer than that.
OmCheeto said:
I use it to determine current infection rates.
This is the context I knew it in - predicting today's data from models of what it will eventually settle to. As you say, it's complicated by data sources that can do different things - some have longer lags than others, or have different reporting times, some don't do weekends, some don't do weekends but do backdate the weekend's data on the Monday, and there may be different criteria for recording something in the first place. You can often gloss over a lot of that with longer range forecasts by regarding the last couple of days as unreliable, but that won't work in this context because it's that unreliability and lateness you are trying to account for.
OmCheeto said:
I think a good synonym for it would be "guesstimate".
My understanding is that when you put this kind of contextual knowledge into a model based on someone's opinion it's called "judgement forecasting". Which sounds better. :wink:
 
  • #3,232
Ibix said:
I think it was called forecasting until someone came up with a catchy name for the specific case of forecasting slightly lagged data up to the present.

As far as I'm aware you are correct that it's just applying standard forecasting techniques (I haven't heard of a gliding average - guessing you've transliterated from German and mean a moving average?). However, you do have to be more aware of the reliability, and lack thereof, of recent data in order to make decent short term forecasts from it. So it's a slightly different context for using those techniques.
Yes, it is gliding in German. I didn't look it up since it made perfectly sense to me to call it gliding instead of moving. I follow the press conferences of the RKI here and they explained what they do, so it is indeed a moving average what they calculate. They once explained that they widened the step size from 2 to 4 days in order to smoothen the weekend delays. It's also an average built over the entire country, which means that local data can vary a lot. Politics is trying to implement local criteria now as a benchmark for local quarantine measures.
 
  • #3,233
Last edited:
  • Like
  • Informative
Likes Klystron, Keith_McClary, hmmm27 and 2 others
  • #3,235
TIL that the entry in the church baptismal book in Kiel reads: Marx Karl Ernst Ludwig Planck.

However, the "r" has never be seen again except on a copy for the baptismal certificate. When he was ten, he already signed a letter with Max. When and why the name changed is unknown. One possible explanation - and favored by me - is an early adaption to local habits in Munich, where Max was and is much more common.
 
  • Wow
  • Informative
Likes Klystron, atyy and Demystifier
  • #3,236
fresh_42 said:
TIL that the entry in the church baptismal book in Kiel reads: Marx Karl Ernst Ludwig Planck.
Max Planck = Karl Marx :oldbiggrin:
 
  • Like
  • Haha
Likes Adesh and atyy
  • #3,237
Demystifier said:
Max Planck = Karl Marx :oldbiggrin:

Groucho, Chico, Harpo(, Gummo, Zeppo) and of course Planck.
 
  • #3,238
When I was at school, mnyah mnyah, hand calculators had not been invented, and we were taught how to more conveniently multiply and divide numbers using logarithms to base 10 so that instead of multiplicationsand divisions you did notably easier additions/subtractions of the logs - all explained here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_logarithm#Mantissa_and_characteristic
as maybe nowadays this is not taught? To do this you needed to get the logs, which you found in tables, an example is illustrated in the above link. (Then after adding the logs you needed to convert the resulting log back into a number it was log of. It comes back to me that although there were 'antilog' tables for some reason we did not use them but looked them up in the same log tables and were taught a trick called 'interpolation'.) How anyone had been able to calculate the tables was not on the syllabus and we did not ask.

Now to finitely tabulate a function for any possible input it needs to have some kind of repetitive character. For example tables of trigonometric functions only need to go up to 90 degrees, tables of square roots, which we also had, need only go from 1 to 100. So, for instance, log10 2 = 0.3010 to 4 decimal places. And that's all the table tells you. However if you need e.g. log10(2×104), knowing what logs are you know that is 4.3010. If the number is less than 1 the log is negative, e.g. log10(2× 10-4) is -4 + 0.3010. but you didn't combine these into a single negative number, it was unnecessary. In a multiplication for instance you just added the various logs algebraically, added up the positive part after the decimal point, carrying over as in normal addition, and then added algebraically the integers before the decimal point.

I just went into this because I guess it is not taught nowadays, no longer really being useful, so maybe readers don't know it. But there was a question about it in homework help yesterday "Logarithm calculation by hand" and this stuff which I have not needed for decades came back to mind. Well, I learned it not exactly today but a very long time ago, about age 11 or 12 – even a bit depressing to be still talking about it now, doesn't feel like progress. So what's new?

Well, the part after the decimal point like .3010 above was called the 'mantissa'. Funny word, I have never heard that used in any other context and I don't suppose any of you have either. It is not obviously connected with anything else – I mean I can't think of anything less connected with all this than a mantis.

So now, TIL that "decimal part of a logarithm," 1865, from Latin mantisa "a worthless addition, makeweight," perhaps a Gaulish word introduced into Latin via Etruscan (compare Old Irish meit, Welsh maint "size"). So called as being "additional" to the characteristic or integral part. The Latin word was used in 17c. English in the sense of "an addition of small importance to a literary work, etc."

I thought, from the above dating that the word might have been coined by Briggs himself. But the OED gives for first use 1865! It sounds then invented by some Victorian pedant. In which case its present oblivion is fully deserved.

Surprisingly the word 'mantis' seems also a 17th-century scholarly origin.
Modern Latin, from Greek mantis, used of some sort of elongated insect with long forelimbs (Theocritus), literally "one who divines, a seer, prophet," from mainesthai "be inspired," related to menos "passion, spirit," from PIE *mnyo-, suffixed form of root *men- (1) "to think," with derivatives referring to qualities and states of mind or thought (compare mania and -mancy). I find it surprising the highly remarkable insect has no older popular name.

That's what I think I learned today – but I'm not really confident it's all 100% correct.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
  • Informative
Likes hmmm27, Klystron and symbolipoint
  • #3,239
TIL, well re-learned, about the historical term "doughface" in the context of pre Civil War American politics. Not to be confused with 'doughboys' in later wars, doughfaces referred to Northern politicians who outwardly supported Southern causes and/or voted for legislation that supported slavery and against legislation that favoured abolition.

While the premise of this thread could use work, many responses discuss interesting history.
 
  • #3,240
Demystifier said:
Max Planck = Karl Marx :oldbiggrin:

No wonder you never see them together in the same place at the same time!
 
  • Haha
Likes Demystifier and Klystron
  • #3,241
diogenesNY said:
No wonder you never see them together in the same place at the same time!
4254118ee7ce307c18035e712f9710f8.jpg
 
  • #3,242
TIL If you use the small angle approximation twice, it magically becomes exact again $$\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \cos{\theta} \, d\theta \approx \int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}} 1 \, d\theta = \left[\theta \right]_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \approx \left[\sin{\theta} \right]_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} = 1$$ It works for this one, so it's got to work for all of them, right? :wink:
 
  • #3,243
$$\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \cos{\theta} \, d\theta \approx \int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}} 1 \, d\theta = \left[\theta \right]_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \approx \left[\tan{\theta} \right]_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} = \text{... wait}$$
 
  • #3,244
mfb said:
$$\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \cos{\theta} \, d\theta \approx \int_0^{\frac{\pi}{2}} 1 \, d\theta = \left[\theta \right]_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \approx \left[\tan{\theta} \right]_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} = \text{... wait}$$

And that concludes our proof that ##\infty = 1##!
 
  • #3,246
Today I learned the difference between Mitä and Mikä in Finnish.

As of recent, I taken a new interest in learning the language of my ancestors. I grew up hearing it spoken on a fairly regular basis, but never really learned it other than a few scattered words.
Mitä ( the ä is pronounced like the "a" in hat.) is one of the ones I thought I knew. It meant "what".

But I was seeing "mikä" being used for "what", and began to wonder if I had been hearing it wrong ( all my exposure to Finnish was via spoken word)

Today I learned that both words mean "what". It's just that they are used in different contexts.

Both
Mikä tämä on? and Mitä tämä on? mean "What is this?
But the answer you get would be different.
In the same situation,
"Mikä tämä on?" might get you the answer: "Tämä on pöytä." ( this is a table.)
While
"Mitä tämä on?" could get you an answer of "Tämä on tammi" (this is oak)

Mikä means means you are asking about the object, While mitä refers to what it is made of.

In essence Mikä is about a concrete object, while mitä is about substance or something abstract.

"Mitä tämä on?" could also give you answers like "Se on kahvia" ( "It's coffee" ), or "Se on rakkautta." ( It's love)

So, "Tänään opin" ("Today I learned ") that I hadn't heard it wrong after all.
 
  • Like
Likes Buzz Bloom, atyy, Hsopitalist and 1 other person
  • #3,247
Today I learned (actually contemplated) that hate is always reciprocated but love seldomly.
 
  • #3,248
Today I learned that Finnish needs an ä in every other word, at least if the small sample above is representative. It has 11 Finnish words, 5 of them have an ä, including one with two ä and one with three ä.
As a German I'm familiar with that letter, but it's not that common in German.
 
  • #3,249
Janus said:
Today I learned the difference between Mitä and Mikä in Finnish.
Not completely.
Janus said:
Today I learned that both words mean "what".
In your context, yes.
Janus said:
"Mitä tämä on?" could get you an answer of "Tämä on tammi tammea" (this is oak)
Was that a typo? "Tämä on tammi" could be answer to "Mikä tämä on?"
Janus said:
"Mitä tämä on?" could also give you answers like "Se on kahvia" ( "It's coffee" )
One can also say "Se on kahvia mikä maistuu hyvältä" ( "It's coffee which tastes good" ).
One would not say "Se on kahvia mitä maistuu hyvältä".
Janus said:
So, "Tänään opin" ("Today I learned ") that I hadn't heard it wrong after all.
Right.
 
  • #3,250
forcefield said:
Not completely.

In your context, yes.

Was that a typo? "Tämä on tammi" could be answer to "Mikä tämä on?"

One can also say "Se on kahvia mikä maistuu hyvältä" ( "It's coffee which tastes good" ).
One would not say "Se on kahvia mitä maistuu hyvältä".

Right.
Bear with me. I've just delved into this in the last couple of weeks. I know my explanation of the difference was most likely incomplete.

And if I make some errors in forming phrases it is due to my lack of experience with the language. While both of my parents did speak it, having learned it from their immigrant parents, they did not pass this knowledge onto us kids. As I said, my knowledge up to now has been limited to what it sounds like, and a handful of words. (Like how to properly pronounce "sauna". )

So, I think were I erred was, and correct me if I'm wrong, "tammi" would be used to refer to "an oak" ( as in an oak tree), whereas if I meant the type of wood something was made of, you would use "tammea"?
 
Back
Top