Today I Learned

[DaveC426913]

YIL where we get tartaric acid and cream of tartar.

Having just been to the dentist, I really don't want to know...

 

[jack action]

TIL that the first-ever webcam was set to watch a coffee pot.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

TIL that the first-ever webcam was set to watch a coffee pot.

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And the darned thing still won't boil.

 

[Keith_McClary]

TIL that the first-ever webcam was set to watch a coffee pot.

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if they’d make the trip to the Trojan room to refuel on coffee only to find an empty pot, they’d be very disappointed indeed.

Because it would be their turn to brew another pot.

 

[collinsmark]

TIL that the first-ever webcam was set to watch a coffee pot.

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Yep, there's a lot of history between the web and coffee.

There's also this:

Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol​

 

[BillTre]

Avast, its International Talk Like a Pirate Day, Matey.

 

[BillTre]

Avast, its International Talk Like a Pirate Day, Matey.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Avast, its International Talk Like a Pirate Day, Matey.

Man, Pittsburgh sucks. I want to be traded! The coach is drunk again and he won't let me pitch!

 

[mfb]

TIL: Out of three people in space who later became NASA administrators, two have been on the same flight, STS-61-C.

* Charles Bolden as astronaut, who became NASA administrator under Obama
* Bill Nelson, then member of the House of Representatives, who became NASA administrator under Biden.

(the third one with spaceflight experiments is Richard H. Truly, who flew two very early Shuttle missions)

 

[NTL2009]

TIL about SIGSALY. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGSALY

This was an encryption method used in WWII between the highest levels of US and Allies.

It follows the method that was familiar to me (and in common use today, I think): digitize the voice, then modify those values with a pseudo-random number generator before transmitting. On the receiving end, the complementary arithmetic is applied with an identical pseudo-random number generator.

Today, digitizing speech is easy, cheap and common in 8 bit ~ 16 bit precision.

Today, creating a pseudo-random number stream is easy, cheap and common. Start both generators ( a few lines of code?) with the same 'key', and you will get an identical random appearing number stream.

But in those days, neither was so easy.

To digitize the voice, and limit the amount of data required, they used a 10 band vocoder, quant to 6 values (not 6 bits!), and measured the frequency of the voice ( 6 course and 6 fine - 36 values), and set a bit for 'voiced' or 'unvoiced' (a pitch with harmonics was used on the receiver to simulate a voice, white noise to simulate consonants like "s", "t", etc), sampled every 50 msec. If I did this right, that would be a data rate of about 1,460 bits per second. Take that mp3! Though I wonder what that level of fidelity would take for mp3 (to be fair, mp3 is not optimized for speech)?

For test purposes, a big relay based device was used as the programmable pseudo-random number generator. Here's the most amazing part to me: to provide a matching pseudo-random number to the receiving end, they made two copies of an analog white noise source with a phonograph record. One record was used at each end. They had to carefully sync the records (within 50 msec!) at each end to decode the transmission. Only two copies of any particular recording were made.

Though, getting the exact speed would not be hard, a synchronous motor does that. And if you get close with the start times, you could 'hunt' a bit with a test pattern which would jump from white noise to intelligible speech when you got it synced. But you'd be eating into the 12 minutes of recorded noise.

 

[BillTre]

Today I learned that one molecule, in an E. coli cell (biology's standard bacteria), is at a concentration (in the volume of the cell) of 1.6 nanomolar.

 

[Hornbein]

TIL about SIGSALY. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGSALY

This was an encryption method used in WWII between the highest levels of US and Allies.

I believe I read that Alan Turing invented that.

 

[NTL2009]

I believe I read that Alan Turing invented that.

Yes, or at least he had a hand in it - from the wiki entry I linked:

A prototype was developed at Bell Telephone Laboratories, under the direction of A. B. Clark, assisted by British mathematician Alan Turing,[1][2] and demonstrated to the US Army. The Army was impressed and awarded Bell Labs a contract for two systems in 1942. SIGSALY went into service in 1943 and remained in service until 1946.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

RIL about two vs three-leg SCR control in three-phase resistive circuits.

Turns out two legs are often better than three. Three-leg control produces about 50% more heat and generates harmonics.

On the down side, you have to consider the maintenance people. When you kill power to the controller, you still have a hot leg. So you have compensate for that in some fashion or someone could get killed.

 

[Tom.G]

Industrial 'Best Practice' (and in all Safety codes I've seen) is ALL electrical supply conductors have a Manual, Physical disconnect that is Lockable in the Off position. Betting a life on a semiconductor is not allowed.

Similiarily, All 'Emergency Stop' buttons on machinery must physically interrupt the supply and must require physical action to re-energize.

Any personnel that don't use them are getting close to "Darwinism in action."

[end rant]

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Industrial 'Best Practice' (and in all Safety codes I've seen) is ALL electrical supply conductors have a Manual, Physical disconnect that is Lockable in the Off position. Betting a life on a semiconductor is not allowed.

Yes. But experience demands that one accounts for this. People have gotten hurt before because of this. That's why that particular discussion came up.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

...and it is a pain. I'm not sure how we're going to do this yet. If it acts quickly on the third leg we are back to producing a lot of noise. But I'm sure there's a standard solution. It came up in a 6 hour meeting today and I haven't talked to our panel designer yet.

 

[Frabjous]

TIL that Teutonic values are not what I thought they were. According to this week‘s Economist, Germany has more yoga instructors than coal miners.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Germany has more yoga instructors than coal miners.

Clearly Germany need Yoga-electric generators.

 

[fresh_42]

Clearly Germany need Yoga-electric generators.

Interesting idea: Couldn't we harvest all the energy wasted in gyms all over the planet?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Interesting idea: Couldn't we harvest all the energy wasted in gyms all over the planet?

I've looked at that. Humans are very poor producers [we don't produce much net energy] so the ROI isn't there with traditional technology. But with nano technology or some other up and coming exotic technology, maybe it would eventually be doable.

Humans can produce 100 watts all day long. At 300 watts we are down to something like an hour for the average adult. An Olympic athlete can produce 1000 watts for a few seconds up to a minute or so depending on how it's done.

Someone was once experimenting with sidewalks that produce power. But I'm sure they found the same problem.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Consider for example the Gossamer Albatross

"In still air, the required power was on the order of 300 W (0.40 hp), though even mild turbulence made this figure rise rapidly.[2] "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacCready_Gossamer_Albatross

But it nearly killed the guy who crossed the English Channel, who was in peak physical condition.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Maybe we can design clothing that charges your mobile devices using your energy of movement.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I was playing with the idea of a shaker charger for your mobile. So I bought a shaker flashlight to see how much power it produces. I found a little battery inside that powered the LED light for a very long time - several days IIRC. When that ran out the LED went off. But my oscilloscope showed that the voltage from the shaking never even exceeded for the forward bias voltage need for the diodes to conduct. So it couldn't possibly charge the battery.

When I did the calculations for a magnet for my shaker charger, I found the magnet would have to be so strong that it would wipe out your credit cards and possibly be dangerous.

 

[fresh_42]

Humans can produce 100 watts all day long. At 300 watts we are down to something like an hour for the average adult. An Olympic athlete can produce 1000 watts for a few seconds up to a minute or so depending on how it's done.

Tell this a professional bicyclist climbing a pass at 3,000 m!

Anyway. The basic concept in gyms is gravity and resistance. We could use gravity to pump water and resistance for generating eddy currents (if the bicycles and steppers at gyms don't do this anyway). Net energy doesn't count because we will not have to pay for the input aka food.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Tell this a professional bicyclist climbing a pass at 3,000 m!

Anyway. The basic concept in gyms is gravity and resistance. We could use gravity to pump water and resistance for generating eddy currents (if the bicycles and steppers at gyms don't do this anyway). Net energy doesn't count because we will not have to pay for the input aka food.

The guy flying the Gossamer was a professional and he could barely maintain 400 watts. What's more. I did a project where I had to quantify these numbers for a public use device that included professionals.

I found that the cost of the hardware and implementation exceeds the return on investment.

When I said net energy, I was referring to the energy after losses, not food.

And you know as well as anyone that citing meters without time is meaningless. In principle a snail could climb mount Everest. That doesn't mean it would be producing useful energy.

 

[fresh_42]

A bicycle page says 540W at the final slope, which normally lasts about 10 to 20 minutes.
https://www.tour-magazin.de/profisp...verstehen-wattleistungen-im-check/a44719.html

My idea was to create the new tools which are installed anyway with the new techniques. E.g. I have manually pumped water. It works. I have no idea what the yield is, but the losses can be neglected. Same as we neglect produced heat nowadays. If two dozen people a day pump water instead of only lifting weights, we should have positive net energy. Same with the bicycles and steppers which could produce currents.

 

[Tom.G]

RIL about two vs three-leg SCR control in three-phase resistive circuits.

Turns out two legs are often better than three. Three-leg control produces about 50% more heat and generates harmonics.

On the down side, you have to consider the maintenance people. When you kill power to the controller, you still have a hot leg. So you have compensate for that in some fashion or someone could get killed.

Just a wild idea here: How about the equivalent of a GFI? (All line currents must balance to within X milliamps) I haven't looked to see if there are any made for 3-phase.

It still may not meet all the code requirements though.

 

[mfb]

Pumping water in a gym requires a lot of new hardware. It's already mechanical motion and can be connected to a generator. It's just not enough to matter.

Even if everyone would produce 100 W for an hour every week we only get an average power of 5 GW globally, or ~0.2% of our electricity consumption. And we would need a lot of additional hardware in millions of places for that.

 

[Hornbein]

In principle a snail could climb mount Everest. That doesn't mean it would be producing useful energy.

This is offensive to molluscs. They are differently abled.

 

[Hornbein]

https://www.sciencetimes.com/articl...d-massive-meteor-wiped-out-ancient-middle.htm

Ancient city wiped out by exploding meteor. They know because all the metal was melted.

 

[pinball1970]

TIL The James Webb launch date is now December 18th this year.

 

[Keith_McClary]

TIL that some scientists do fun stuff:

One of the concrete blocks positioned on the tilting platform that will be used to set it in motion.
https://phys.org/news/2021-09-greater-consideration-rockfall.html

 

[DaveC426913]

TIL a new word: immanent. (I had to look it up, thinking maybe @fresh_42 made a mistake.)

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...an-intuitive-explanation.1007568/post-6546846

 

[fresh_42]

TIL a new word: immanent. (I had to look it up, thinking maybe @fresh_42 made a mistake.)

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...an-intuitive-explanation.1007568/post-6546846

I thought I should look it up, too, but it is so Latin that I thought it works in English, too, not only in German. I learned something similar yesterday. @Dale used the word desiderata. I didn't look it up since it was pretty obvious what it means. I just thought: interesting, English native speakers also use Latin words to pimp their statements!

 

[Dale]

English native speakers also use Latin words to pimp their statements!

The “pimp their statements” is hilarious. And true, I was absolutely doing that.

"We don’t just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."
--James D. Nicoll

 

[DaveC426913]

@Dale used the word desiderata. I didn't look it up since it was pretty obvious what it means.

Yep caught that. And I did look it up, even though the context made it obvious.

 

[BillTre]

TIL that youtube is going to block all anti-vax materials on their site.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-youtube-blocks-anti-vaccine-134911074.html

 

[jack action]

TIL that youtube is going to block all anti-vax materials on their site.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-youtube-blocks-anti-vaccine-134911074.html

How cute that Youtube thinks of itself as a reliable source of information.

 

[gmax137]

How cute that Youtube thinks of itself as a reliable source of information.

Over the past couple years I have had a few guys working in my house (plumbers, electricians, and more). I have seen them "u-toobing" how to do some of the work. If my clients caught me doing that I'd be fired.

 

[DaveC426913]

I have seen them "u-toobing" how to do some of the work. If my clients caught me doing that I'd be fired.

Every software developer ever:

 

[Ivan Seeking]

TIL that some scientists do fun stuff:
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One of the concrete blocks positioned on the tilting platform that will be used to set it in motion.
https://phys.org/news/2021-09-greater-consideration-rockfall.html

Gee, where did they get THAT idea?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

TIL

In Chinese tradition, higher status for men was signified by having several young female partners or concubines. A ring denies that status. For this reason, many modern Chinese men do not wear a wedding ring. Diamonds and two-partner wedding rings are advertised in modern China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visua... higher status,are advertised in modern China.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

RIL that Lucille Ball allegedly helped catch Japanese spies during WWII. She started picking up Morse code through the fillings in her teeth while driving home.

How Lucille Ball Heard Spies Through Her Dental Fillings

In 1974 Lucille Ball told TV host Dick Cavett that during World War II she picked up radio broadcasts through her dental fillings as she was driving home from the MGM studios through Coldwater Canyon. The phenomena subsided as she continued driving. When it happened again a week later she told MGM security because the signals seemed to be Morse code. She stated that the FBI located the source of the signals, an underground Japanese radio station.

https://www.bradfordfamilydentist.ca/lucille-ball-heard-spies-dental-fillings/

 

[Tom.G]

How cute that Youtube thinks of itself as a reliable source of information.

Delusions of Grandeur, for sure!

 

[Hornbein]

I learned that the rickshaw was invented in Tokyo in 1869.

Yesterday I learned that cosplay was invented in Los Angeles in 1936. It stayed small time until 1984 when a visiting Japanese writer discovered it.

 

[pinball1970]

TIL that youtube is going to block all anti-vax materials on their site.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-youtube-blocks-anti-vaccine-134911074.html

I am not sure how that would work

All the anti vax stuff I have read has mainly been following an update from Boris Johnson or Professor Whitty

So those videos are not anti vax themselves but the responses to it are.
Will they be removing individual posts too? Via an algorithm?
Also, is this needed?

Will this not give them victim hood/oppressed status? Justify the clams of cover up/conspiracy?

Anyone who goes on youtube and takes in the conspiracy as Gospel, was not paying attention in school

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I am not sure how that would work

They delete all the claims that the vaccine makes you magnetic, will kill your children, causes blood clots and death, makes you sterile, is loaded with government tracking devices, etc.

 

[berkeman]

TIL how to wrap my long cables and ropes and extension cords so that they do not tangle and are super-easy to unfurl. Thank you @BillTre

Here are a couple:


As you hang a new coil on one hand, alternate the way you rotate the other hand as you place the next coil in the hand holding the bundle other hand.

It reminds me of DNA supercoiling.

 

[Hornbein]

Che Guevara had Irish ancestry, visited Ireland, and the famous image of him was painted by an Irish artist.