Torque Amplification: Is It Over Unity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of torque amplification and whether it can lead to over unity machines when coupled between a motor and generator. Participants explore the implications of torque amplification without a change in input speed and the relationship between torque, power, and RPM.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that torque amplification could result in an over unity machine if placed between a motor and generator.
  • Another participant counters this by stating that power is constant, leading to a decrease in torque as RPM increases, referencing the relationship P=T*theta.
  • A later reply acknowledges the initial point but clarifies that the discussion pertains specifically to torque amplification without speed change, suggesting a need to look into mechanical torque amplifiers.
  • Further contributions emphasize that torque amplifiers depend on a motor's torque and its energy source to drive the output shaft.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the implications of torque amplification and its relationship to over unity machines. There is no consensus on whether torque amplification can lead to over unity outcomes.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of torque amplification and its operational mechanics, which remain unresolved. The relationship between power, torque, and RPM is also a point of contention.

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In torque amplification, torque is multiplied without change in its input speed. Then this amplifier if coupled inbetween a motor and gene
rator would it not be a over unity machine?
 
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No, that is not correct,
P=T*theta
If power is constant then torque decreases as RPM increases.
Pay attention next time you ride a bike and change gears.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque
 
billy_joule said:
No, that is not correct,
P=T*theta
If power is constant then torque decreases as RPM increases.
Pay attention next time you ride a bike and change gears.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque
Thank you for your reply. What you have said is true for torque multiplication using speed reduction gear box. In case of torque amplification, torque alone is amplified without change in speed. Please look for mechanical torque amplifier in your search, you would understand my query. Thank you.
 
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