Transferring-should I retake this class?

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The discussion revolves around whether a student transitioning from a community college to a four-year university should retake an honors introductory electromagnetism (E&M) course or self-study to prepare for future physics classes. The context includes considerations of prior coursework quality and preparedness for advanced topics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about their watered-down experience with E&M at community college and contemplates whether to take an honors course or self-study to prepare for modern physics.
  • Another participant suggests that taking a general elective might be beneficial, citing their own experience where a deeper understanding of E&M came only after taking calculus 3 and studying an intermediate textbook.
  • It is noted that the honors course uses Purcell and assumes knowledge of vector calculus, which the student will have completed by the time they take the course.
  • Some participants argue that if there is any doubt about understanding the material, enrolling in the comparable course at the university is advisable.
  • A participant shares a personal experience of struggling with subsequent courses due to inadequate understanding of prior material, reinforcing the idea that a solid foundation in E&M is crucial.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that if there is any uncertainty about the student's understanding of E&M, retaking the course is a prudent choice. However, there are differing opinions on whether self-study could suffice, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference varying personal experiences with E&M courses and the importance of foundational knowledge, but there is no consensus on the effectiveness of self-study versus retaking the course.

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I'm going from a community college to a 4 year school-a good one-for physics. I'm starting in the spring which is awkward because I won't have many options for physics classes to take while I'm there other than an honors intro E&M course. I had a really watered down experience with my E&M course at my community college, so I either need to study myself or take an honors course to be prepared for the modern physics class next fall, which is taught with Halliday/Krane. So should I take the honors course or self study?
 
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My personal suggestion is to just use that spot to take care of a general elective, assuming the course transferred correctly and assuming you still have some to take. For me, personally, EM didn't make sense in my first course, and only after taking calculus 3 and reading through an intermediate electromagnetism book like Griffiths did it start to make sense to me. There's a lot of stuff in electromagnetism that just don't make sense unless you're comfortable with vector calculus, so it seems common that people don't necessarily get full understanding from their intro EM course.
 
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My personal suggestion is to just use that spot to take care of a general elective, assuming the course transferred correctly and assuming you still have some to take. For me, personally, EM didn't make sense in my first course, and only after taking calculus 3 and reading through an intermediate electromagnetism book like Griffiths did it start to make sense to me. There's a lot of stuff in electromagnetism that just don't make sense unless you're comfortable with vector calculus, so it seems common that people don't necessarily get full understanding from their intro EM course.
The honors course uses purcell and assumes vector calculus as a corequesite. I'll have already taken calc 3 when I take the course.
 
Then you should be fine. Purcell should be sufficient for you--you end up relearning everything done in your intro EM course, but in a relatively easier manner if you're familiar with the vector calculus concepts of calculus 3.
 
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I'm going from a community college to a 4 year school-a good one-for physics. I'm starting in the spring which is awkward because I won't have many options for physics classes to take while I'm there other than an honors intro E&M course. I had a really watered down experience with my E&M course at my community college, so I either need to study myself or take an honors course to be prepared for the modern physics class next fall, which is taught with Halliday/Krane. So should I take the honors course or self study?
If you believe that any, ANY chance that you are weak in the material, then YES; enroll in the comparable course at the university.
 
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If you believe that any, ANY chance that you are weak in the material, then YES; enroll in the comparable course at the university.
That was my thought. I'm speaking to an adviser in the coming weeks and I wanted to go in knowing if someone shared my sentiment. Thanks to both of you.
 
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I had my own difficult, frustrating experience with not adequately understanding some technical coursework. I earned a B in something, which I did not learn as well as the grade represented, and because of this, I did badly in the next course of the sequence, and NEEDED TO and RESTUDIED BOTH courses.

Your counselor may say go ahead or he may say do again; but the only safe way is, if you are weak to any extent from your E&M course from the c.c., then enroll in the comparable E&M course at your university.
 
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I had my own difficult, frustrating experience with not adequately understanding some technical coursework. I earned a B in something, which I did not learn as well as the grade represented, and because of this, I did badly in the next course of the sequence, and NEEDED TO and RESTUDIED BOTH courses.

Your counselor may say go ahead or he may say do again; but the only safe way is, if you are weak to any extent from your E&M course from the c.c., then enroll in the comparable E&M course at your university.
Oh yeah, definitely. If I wasn't sure before I am now. The professors are really competent at the school I'm going to, so they'll probably agree. But yeah, since I'm eligible for honors classes I may as well take it. I'll be so ahead in the math I'd be stupid not to. Thanks for the insight and story :)
 

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