Transforming a 4-vector integration measure

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The discussion focuses on transforming a four-vector integration measure into a three-vector notation. The original integral involves a four-vector k, expressed as k=(E, p), and the transformation leads to an integration measure of d^4k = dE d^3p. Participants clarify that while the transformation is possible under certain constraints, such as the mass-shell condition, it cannot be done in general without these constraints. The spherical symmetry of the integrand is noted, as it depends only on the magnitude of k, not its direction. The main inquiry is how to express the derivation using a scalar part and a vector part while maintaining the integrity of the integration measure.
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Hello,

I have a particular derivation of a four-vector integration measure, basically changing the measure to some related more useful measure - but I'd like to do this in 3-vector notation. Here it is, from the integral:

-i\lambda\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac{d^4k}{(2\pi)^4}\frac{i}{k^2-m^2}

where k is the four vector: k=(E,\mathbf{p})

We transform the integration measure like so:

d^3k=4\pi k^{2}dk\: ,\: \frac{dk^2}{dk}=2k\: ,\: d^3k=2\pi kdk^2

Where the first step is done due to spherical symmetry (can anyone explain why this is spherically symmetric? I'm guessing the 'k' is isotropic in some sense?)

Anyway we attain that the integration measure is:

\frac{d^4k}{(2\pi)^4}=\frac{k^2dk^2}{16\pi^2}

My main question is how to change this derivation to a 3-vector one? I'm guess I pretty much subsitute 'k' for 'p' but I'm not sure.


Thanks,
SK
 
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too many identical k's w/o index, vector notation
 
Sorry, but I did not quite get what you want to do. You want to turn the given integral in 4-space to an integral in 3-space? Well, you cannot do it in general, unless you have a constrain (like the "mass shell": k2 = m2) . If you do, please let me know so I can tell you what to do in this case. About the spherical symmetry question, the integrand is a function of k2 = k02 - k2 i.e. it depents only of the magnitude of k and not it's direction.
 
d4k=dk0d3k,also k2=k02-k2
 
andrien said:
also k2=k02-k2
again too many k's w/o index ;-)

k2=k02-k2 → 2k2=k02

but this is definately NOT what you mean ...
 
tom.stoer said:
again too many k's w/o index ;-)

k2=k02-k2 → 2k2=k02

but this is definately NOT what you mean ...

ahh yes,so
k2=k02-k^2
 
but this is what cosmic dust says: you cannot do that in general w/o assuming that there is a constraint; and in the above mentioned integral there isn't such a constraint, so the mass-shell condition does not apply.
 
one can use it by simply giving a negative imaginary part to mass,if you wish.
 
What I wanted to do was just take this out of 4 vector notation, how would I express this with a scalar part and a vector part.

I think if k is a four vector then:

d^4k=dEd^3\mathbf{p} \: ,\: k=(E,\mathbf{p}),

is this right? If so I just want to change the derivation I stated intially but using the integration measure on the RHS above this line.

Thanks,
SK
 
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yes, that's correct
 

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