Transforming a DE into Bessel's Equation

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of a differential equation (DE) into Bessel's equation, specifically examining the general solution of the DE and the relationship between different forms of the equation. Participants explore the derivation of solutions and the implications of certain parameters.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the derivation of the general solution for the DE x(d²y/dx²) + y = 0, questioning the origin of a related DE and the role of the parameter 'p' in the context of Bessel's equation.
  • Another participant suggests solving the DE directly using series methods, indicating that x = 0 is a regular singular point and proposing a solution in the form of a power series.
  • A participant questions whether Y1(x) must always be included in the general solution if J1(x) is known to be a solution, citing their linear independence.
  • One participant recommends consulting Mathworld for a formulation of Bessel's equation and suggests substituting parameters into the known solution to arrive at the general solution, though they express uncertainty about one of the parameters.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the transformation of the original DE into the new form or the necessity of including Y1(x) in the general solution. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the derivation and implications of the equations discussed.

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Some participants note the complexity of the relationships between the equations and the parameters involved, indicating that assumptions about the forms of the solutions and their derivations may not be fully resolved.

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I am trying to understand why the General solution to this DE:

[tex]x\frac{d^2y}{dx^2} +y=0[/tex] (1)

is:

[tex]y(x)=x^{\frac{1}{2}}\left(AJ_1(2x^{\frac{1}{2}})+BY_1(2x^{\frac{1}{2}})\right)[/tex] (*)

This is part of a physics problem - the solutions (as in 'answers') don't offer any explanation - they simply say:

[tex]y'' + \frac{1-2a}{x}y' + \left((bcx^{c-1})^2+ \frac{a^2 - p^2 c^2}{x^2}\right)y=0[/tex] (2)

where

[tex]y=x^aZ_p(bx^c)[/tex] (3)

Z_p satisfies the Bessel Eqn of order p.

If we equate the coefficients of (2) with the original DE (1), this gives us the solution (*).

I really can't see where (2) has come from. I've tried substituting in (3) into the original DE and get a horribly complicated expression which doesn't look anything like (2) - also I can't understand why 'p', the order of the Bessel's Equation, enters the DE (2).

Any help would be much appreciated.

thanks.
 
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I would suggest trying to solve your DE directly. x = 0 is a regular singular point, so you would look for a solution of the form

[tex]y = \sum_0^\infty a_nx^{n+r}[/tex]

Plug that in the equation using usual series methods. You should get an indicial equation of (r)(r-1)= 0. The roots differ by an integer so you can get one solution using r = 1. If you work it out you should get

[tex]a_n = \frac{(-1)^n a_0}{(n+1)!n!}[/tex]

giving a solution

[tex]y(x) = \sum_0^\infty \frac{(-1)^na_0}{(n+1)!n!}\ x^{n+1}[/tex]

Remembering that

[tex]J_1(x)= \sum_0^\infty \frac{(-1)^n}{n!\Gamma(n+2)}\left(\frac x 2\right)^{2n+1}[/tex]

Using this you should be able to calculate

[tex]\sqrt xJ_1(2\sqrt x)[/tex]

and get the series for y(x) above. You will have to review how to get the second solution when the indicial roots differ by an integer, but this should get you started.
 
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Thanks LCKurtz -

Can I ask a stupid question though (my maths knowledge is very superficial): if we know that J1(x) is a solution to a DE, isn't it always the case that Y1(x) must also be part of the general solution (as it is linearly independent to to J1)?

Also can you offer any insight on why the original DE can be transformed(?) into this DE:

[tex]y'' + \frac{1-2a}{x}y' + \left((bcx^{c-1})^2+ \frac{a^2 - p^2 c^2}{x^2}\right)y=0[/tex]

where

[tex]y=x^aJ_p(bx^c)[/tex]
 
vertices said:
I am trying to understand why the General solution to this DE:

[tex]x\frac{d^2y}{dx^2} +y=0[/tex] (1)

is:

[tex]y(x)=x^{\frac{1}{2}}\left(AJ_1(2x^{\frac{1}{2}})+BY_1(2x^{\frac{1}{2}})\right)[/tex] (*)

Hi. You know about Mathworld? Google it and then do a Bessel equation search and scroll down to the Bowman forumulation of Bessel's equation. The one with all the parameters. Now substitute your equation into that one. I get [itex]\alpha=1/2, n=1, \gamma=1/2, \beta=\pm 2[/itex] then substitute those into the solution given to arrive at

[tex]y(x)=x^{\frac{1}{2}}\left(AJ_1(2x^{\frac{1}{2}})+BY_1(2x^{\frac{1}{2}})\right)[/tex]

I'm not too sure about the [itex]\pm \beta[/itex] part though.
 

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