Translating Torque to Pulling Power

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The discussion centers around understanding the towing capacity of a 1986 Honda 200sx ATV based on its torque specifications. Participants explore the relationship between torque, pulling power, and towing capacity, including the factors that influence these measurements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the meaning of torque specifications in layman's terms and the ATV's towing capacity.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for more details about the torque transmission to the wheels and the characteristics of the towed object, such as its coefficient of friction.
  • There is a suggestion to look at specifications of modern ATVs of similar size and displacement to estimate towing capacity.
  • A distinction is made between towing capacity and pulling power, with the latter referred to as "drawbar pull." Factors such as gear ratios and friction losses in the geartrain are mentioned as influencing the effective pulling power.
  • Participants discuss the importance of handling characteristics, such as rollover propensity and braking, in determining towing capacity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that towing capacity and pulling power are different concepts, but there is no consensus on the specific towing capacity of the ATV in question. Multiple views on how to approach estimating towing capacity remain present.

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Limitations include the lack of specific information about the ATV's gear ratios and the absence of manufacturer specifications for towing capacity.

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I have an atv and wanted to know its towing capacity. I looked up specs and found that the maximum torque is 1.56 kg-m (11.28 ft-lb)/6,000 rpm. 2 questions: 1) What does this mean in layman's terms? 2) What is the towing capacity?
 
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Without more details where exactly this torque can be gained and how it gets transmitted to the wheels there is no way to tell that. You'll also need details about the thing getting towed I guess (especially its coefficient of friction).
 
Kyle Shobe said:
I have an atv and wanted to know its towing capacity. I looked up specs and found that the maximum torque is 1.56 kg-m (11.28 ft-lb)/6,000 rpm. 2 questions: 1) What does this mean in layman's terms? 2) What is the towing capacity?

Welcome to the PF.

Which ATV is it? Does it not have a manufacturer's specification for the rated towing capacity (GVW & GVTW & Hitch Weight)?

http://www.gmc.com/trailering-towing/safe-trailer-towing-capacity.html :-)
 
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It is a 1986 Honda 200sx. I found specs online, but nothing about towing capacity...
 
Kyle Shobe said:
It is a 1986 Honda 200sx. I found specs online, but nothing about towing capacity...

Hmm. You might try looking at the specs of a more modern ATV of the same size & displacement. They should be listing GVW and the towing specs for some of them. I don't think the specs would have changed much for similar-size ATVs. :-)
 
Towing capacity and pulling power are different concepts.

Towing capacity will include handling characteristics like propensity to roll over , brakes, and the like .

Pulling power? I think the term is "drawbar pull".
Surely gear ratios are in the specs you found? (Everyplace i looked wanted a credit card.)
Engine torque multiplied by gear ratio gives a slightly optimistic estimate of torque to rear wheels. It's optimistic because there's a few % lost to friction in the geartrain.
That number divided by wheel radius will give a number for how hard the machine could pull provided it has traction and provided the front wheels stay on the ground.
If you use torque in foot-lbs, use radius in feet..

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-parts/towing/equipment/tow-bars/drawbar-pull1.htm
drawbar-pull-2.jpg


note drawbar connection is low on tractor . That helps keep front wheels down when pulling, and helps keep trailer from toppling tractor over sideways on a downhill turn.

old jim
 

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