Triangle's elementary geometry problem

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The problem involves a right-angled triangle ABC with specific geometric conditions, including the midpoint M of side AC and the vertical relationship between lines AP and BM. The goal is to find the ratio BP:PC along side BC.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various methods, including vector analysis, coordinate systems, and geometric properties. Some express confusion over their attempts, while others suggest using similarity and proportional reasoning to establish relationships between segments.

Discussion Status

There are multiple lines of reasoning being explored, with some participants offering geometric interpretations and others attempting algebraic approaches. While some have arrived at a ratio, there is no explicit consensus on the method or clarity on the reasoning behind the results.

Contextual Notes

Participants note challenges with assumptions about point placements and the implications of using different geometric theorems. There is mention of the 'official' resolution, which adds to the complexity of understanding the problem.

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Homework Statement



Let \bigtriangleup ABC be a right angled triangle such that \angle A = 90°, AB = AC and let M be the midpoint of the side AC. Take the point P on the side BC so that AP is vertical to BM. Let H be the intersection point of AP and BM. Find the ratio BP:PC.

Homework Equations



Possibly the intercept theorem and others related to the congruency of line segments and triangles similarity.

The Attempt at a Solution



I first tried to attack the problem using vectors, but my limited knowledge of their rules meant I quickly found a dead-end. I then tried expressing BP as BC-PC, and since BC is the hypotenuse, the ratio is \frac{AB\sqrt{2}}{PC} - 1, but could not figure how to express PC as a function of AB.

I then spent some days trying to fiddle with proportions to no avail. My last try involved connecting the points C and H, and then extending the resulting line segment until it crossed AB, and called that point C'. By Ceva's theorem, I found out that \frac{BP}{PC} = \frac{BC'}{AC'} and then, using the intercept theorem, \frac{BP}{BC'} = \frac{PC}{AC'} = \frac{BC}{AB} = \sqrt{2}. I can't figure out what to do with that information, so it's another dead end.
 
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What I would do is set up a coordinate system. Take A to be at (0, 0), B at (0, 1), and C at (1, 0). The M is at (1/2, 0) and it is easy to find the equation of line BM and then line AP. Use that to find point P.
 
I see. So, assuming C = (0,0), A = (1, 0), B = (1, 1), I have:

BM: y_{BM} = 2 x_{BM} - 1
AP: y_{AP} = \frac{- x_{AP} + 1}{2}
BC: y_{BC} = x_{BC}

So P = (\frac{1}{3}, \frac{1}{3}) and BP:PC=2:1, which is the correct answer :).

However, the 'official' resolution of this problem is the following:

1 - \bigtriangleup AHM = \bigtriangleup HCM

2 - \frac{\bigtriangleup ABH}{\bigtriangleup HBP} = \frac{\bigtriangleup AHC}{\bigtriangleup HPC}

3 - \frac{\bigtriangleup ABH}{\bigtriangleup HBP} = \frac{2 \bigtriangleup AHM}{\bigtriangleup HPC} = \frac{1}{2}

4 - \frac{BP}{PC} = \frac{\bigtriangleup HBP}{\bigtriangleup HPC} = 2

I'm completely lost.
 
You can do it with just geometry. At C draw a line parallel to AP meeting BA extended at W. Then triangle AWC is similar to AMB. This gives AW/AM = AC/AB = 2AM/AB or

AW = 2 AM2/AB

Now BP/PC = BA/AW. Substitute AW from the above equation into this giving

BP/PC =(1/2)(BA/AM)2= (1/2)*4 = 2
 

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