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The discussion revolves around the factoring of the polynomial expression x^4 + 4, exploring various methods including completing the square and the use of complex numbers. Participants are examining the nuances of these techniques and their applications in polynomial equations.

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  • Some participants discuss an "unorthodox" method of completing the square, questioning the reasoning behind this terminology. Others explore the implications of adding and subtracting terms to facilitate factoring.
  • There is a focus on understanding the relationship between terms in the context of completing the square, particularly when no linear term is present.
  • Participants also delve into the roots of the equation z^4 + 4 = 0, discussing the use of exponential forms and the fundamental theorem of algebra.

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now i found how to do the solution by doing an "Unorthodox" method of completing the square, could some one explain why the guy called it unorthodox?

Solution:

x^4 + 4

x^4 + 4 +4x^2 -4x^2 (completing the square)

(x^2 + 4x^2 + 4) - (2x)^2

(x^2 + 2)^2 - (2x)^2

(x^2 +2 - 2x)(X^2 + 2 + 2x)

Ans: (x^2 +2x - 2)(x^2 +2x +2)Now initially i didn't get this question on my tests. So I'm curious, how would i have known or how can i change my way of thinking so that i could use this technique, because i still don't exactly get it completely.

In completing the square i remember

ax^2 + bx + c

so now you take(b/2)^2 = a number

you rewrite your formula

ax^2 + BX + C -(B/2)^2 + (b/2)^2and then factor... in this question though, you have no b term... so yea can some one just point me in the direction i need to be thinking?
 
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[tex] z^4 + 4 = 0[/tex]
[tex] z^4 = -4 = 4 \, e^{i \pi}[/tex]
[tex] z_1 = \sqrt[4]{4} \, e^{i \frac{\pi}{4}} = \sqrt{2} \, \left[ \cos \left( \frac{\pi}{4} \right) + i \sin \left( \frac{\pi}{4} \right) \right] = 1 + i[/tex]
[tex] z_2 = \sqrt[4]{4} \, e^{i \frac{3 \, \pi}{4}} = -1 + i[/tex]
[tex] z_3 = \sqrt[4]{4} \, e^{i \frac{5 \, \pi}{4}} = -1 - i[/tex]
[tex] z_4 = \sqrt[4]{4} \, e^{i \frac{7 \, \pi}{4}} = 1 - i[/tex]
[tex] z^4 + 4 = \left[ (z - 1)^2 + 1 \right] \, \left[ (z + 1)^2 + 1 \right][/tex]
 
Plutonium88 said:
In completing the square i remember

ax^2 + bx + c

so now you take


(b/2)^2 = a number

you rewrite your formula

ax^2 + BX + C -(B/2)^2 + (b/2)^2

That's only true if a = 1, make sure you divide through first!

and then factor... in this question though, you have no b term... so yea can some one just point me in the direction i need to be thinking?

Think about what happens in this multiplication: [itex](a + b)^{2} = a^{2} + 2ab + b^{2}[/itex]. The middle term is simply [itex]2 \cdot \sqrt{a^{2}} \cdot \sqrt{b^{2}}[/itex]. Does that help you see what you need to add? And depending on if you want [itex](a+b)^{2}[/itex] or [itex](a-b)^{2}[/itex], you would add in [itex]+2ab[/itex] or [itex]-2ab[/itex], respectively.
 
scurty said:
That's only true if a = 1, make sure you divide through first!



Think about what happens in this multiplication: [itex](a + b)^{2} = a^{2} + 2ab + b^{2}[/itex]. The middle term is simply [itex]2 \cdot \sqrt{a^{2}} \cdot \sqrt{b^{2}}[/itex]. Does that help you see what you need to add? And depending on if you want [itex](a+b)^{2}[/itex] or [itex](a-b)^{2}[/itex], you would add in [itex]+2ab[/itex] or [itex]-2ab[/itex], respectively.

But A^2 + B^2 is not the same as (A+B)^2

like how can i verbally what is going on when i add a +4x^2 and a -4x^2. what is a good way to word the instructions of doing that..
 
Plutonium88 said:
But A^2 + B^2 is not the same as (A+B)^2

like how can i verbally what is going on when i add a +4x^2 and a -4x^2. what is a good way to word the instructions of doing that..

Exactly. [itex]a^{2} + b^{2} = a^{2}+2ab+b^{2}-2ab = (a+b)^{2} - 2ab[/itex].

In your examply in your first post you had [itex]x^{4}+4=(x^{2})^{2}+(2)^{2}[/itex]. Can you now see why you add and subtracted [itex]4x^{2}[/itex]? Whenever you have the sum of two squares, you know to add 0 creatively to compress the expression up.
 
scurty said:
Exactly. [itex]a^{2} + b^{2} = a^{2}+2ab+b^{2}-2ab = (a+b)^{2} - 2ab[/itex].

In your examply in your first post you had [itex]x^{4}+4=(x^{2})^{2}+(2)^{2}[/itex]. Can you now see why you add and subtracted [itex]4x^{2}[/itex]? Whenever you have the sum of two squares, you know to add 0 creatively to compress the expression up.

ohh so its just a strategy to add something which relates to the equation, but whatever you add to the equation, must satisfy the equation by being equal to 0?
 
Dickfore said:
[tex] z^4 + 4 = 0[/tex]
[tex] z^4 = -4 = 4 \, e^{i \pi}[/tex]
[tex] z_1 = \sqrt[4]{4} \, e^{i \frac{\pi}{4}} = \sqrt{2} \, \left[ \cos \left( \frac{\pi}{4} \right) + i \sin \left( \frac{\pi}{4} \right) \right] = 1 + i[/tex]
[tex] z_2 = \sqrt[4]{4} \, e^{i \frac{3 \, \pi}{4}} = -1 + i[/tex]
[tex] z_3 = \sqrt[4]{4} \, e^{i \frac{5 \, \pi}{4}} = -1 - i[/tex]
[tex] z_4 = \sqrt[4]{4} \, e^{i \frac{7 \, \pi}{4}} = 1 - i[/tex]
[tex] z^4 + 4 = \left[ (z - 1)^2 + 1 \right] \, \left[ (z + 1)^2 + 1 \right][/tex]

What type of factoring is this man? this loooks cool? something involving radians?? :O explain to me please?
 
Yep! When you complete the square, you add a constant term so you can compress some terms into a sum that is squared. In this case you need to add the middle terms (being multiplied by x) so you can do the same thing.
 
scurty said:
Yep! When you complete the square, you add a constant term so you can compress some terms into a sum that is squared. In this case you need to add the middle terms (being multiplied by x) so you can do the same thing.

Okay thanks a lot man i really appreciate the use of your time. Thank you.
 
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Plutonium88 said:
What type of factoring is this man? this loooks cool? something involving radians?? :O explain to me please?

I am using the "fundamental theorem of algebra". Every polynomial of degree n has exactly n roots in the set of complex numbers. If you find them, then you could factorize it as:
[tex] P_n(z) = (z - z_1)(z - z_2) \ldots (z - z_n)[/tex]
To find the roots in this simple case, you need to find the 4th root of -4. I used the exponential form to find the roots and Euler's formula after that.

Now, when the coefficients of the polynomial are real numbers, as is the case here, the roots come in complex conjugate pairs. You can combine the linear factors of the pair to make a quadratic factor:
[tex] (z - a - b i)(z - a + b i) = (z - a)^2 - (i b)^2 = (z - a)^2 + b^2[/tex]
 

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