True to your intuitions or science?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between intuition and scientific understanding, particularly in the context of mathematics and observation. Participants explore whether intuition can challenge established theories and the interplay between mathematical derivation and empirical observation.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that when a definitive mathematical solution is derived, it should be followed without question, though assumptions made in the process are open to evaluation.
  • Others emphasize the importance of intuition, suggesting that it stems from experience and that unexpected findings are crucial to the scientific process.
  • A participant argues that the scientific method is often misrepresented as a mechanical process, highlighting the creativity involved in scientific inquiry.
  • There is a discussion about whether mathematics precedes observation or vice versa, with some suggesting that both can influence each other in a dynamic manner.
  • One participant expresses frustration with complex mathematics that lacks conceptual clarity, indicating a personal struggle with advanced topics in physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of intuition versus mathematical rigor in science, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the subjective nature of intuition and the variability in how individuals approach mathematical and observational challenges, suggesting that personal experiences and interpretations significantly influence their viewpoints.

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Do your intuitions match what science tells you? there are many observations that seem
to be(iron cast) but would you speak up if your intuitions told you that some theory was wrong, would you go against the maths?
Does maths come before observation, or observation before maths?
 
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You asked about intuition and then switched to observation.

If I can derive a definitive mathematical solution to a problem, I follow the math everytime - beyond any question. If I had to make assumptions in order to arrive at that answer, then of course those assumptions are subject to evaluation.

I think the question, "have we missed something?", almost always applies.
 
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wolram said:
Do your intuitions match what science tells you? there are many observations that seem
to be(iron cast) but would you speak up if your intuitions told you that some theory was wrong, would you go against the maths?

Intuition comes from experience, so I don't think it would be much fun iif nothing unexpected ever came along. It also would not be much fun if only unexpected things ever came along.

The scientific method, as often taught, makes science seem like a turn-the-crank assembly line. It's not. Astonishing creativity could be required at any (or all) particular stage: designing a good experiment; lifting the signal from the noise; coming up with a good theory; etc. I can't emphasize enough the wonderful human ingenuity that scientists demonstrate.

Science is not performed by bloodless robots.

Arts people don't hold a monopoly on creativity (nor do science people).

When I teach, I sometimes refer to Newton's First Symphony, Second Symphony, and Third Symphony, as well as their more usual names.

So, teach the scientific method, but don't forget to mention this other stuff that sometimes goes unmentioned.

Does maths come before observation, or observation before maths?

Theory sometime leads observation; observation sometime leads theory. It's a wonderful dance of give-and-take.
 
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wolram said:
Do your intuitions match what science tells you? there are many observations that seem
to be(iron cast) but would you speak up if your intuitions told you that some theory was wrong, would you go against the maths?
Does maths come before observation, or observation before maths?

The math doesn't mean anything if I can't conceptualize it, which is why I dropped out at Partial Differential Quantum Buggery 300something. It was just no fun.
 

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