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This discussion focuses on calculating the pH of buffers involving strong and weak acids, specifically using HCl and sodium formate (NaHCOO). The participants clarify that the pH can be determined using the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation: pH = pKa + log([A-]/[HA]). The discussion also highlights the importance of understanding the reaction between the weak acid formic acid (HCOOH) and the strong acid HCl, and how to calculate the concentrations of the resulting species after mixing. The final calculations yield a formic acid concentration of 0.5352 M and sodium formate concentration of 0.0843 M, leading to a pH calculation based on these values.

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  • Understanding of buffer solutions and their components
  • Knowledge of the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation
  • Familiarity with weak acid dissociation constants (Ka)
  • Ability to perform concentration calculations and ICE tables
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  • Study the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation in detail
  • Learn about the properties and applications of formic acid (HCOOH)
  • Explore the concept of buffer capacity and its significance
  • Investigate the behavior of weak acids in the presence of strong acids
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I have two questions about pH of buffers. It's a general chemistry class, but the questions aren't similar to anything we've had yet.

Homework Statement


A buffer is prepared by adding 0.96 L of 0.96 M HCl to 762 mL of 1.4 M NaHCOO. What is the pH of this buffer? [Ka(HCOOH) = 1.7 × 10-4]


Homework Equations


pH=pKa+log([A-]/[HA]


The Attempt at a Solution



It's the fact that it's HCl that's really throwing me off. I thought a buffer could only be made with a weak acid and it's conjugate base (and vice versa). I can figure out the pH of the HCl and the NaHCOO solutions without a problem, but it's the combining that's throwing me.



Homework Statement


A certain monoprotic weak acid with Ka = 0.37 can be used in various industrial processes. (a) What is the [H+] for a 0.234 M aqueous solution of this acid and (b) what is its pH?

Homework Equations


Ka=[H+][A-]/[HA]
pH=-log[H+]

The Attempt at a Solution


I did an ICE table and set up the equation .37=x^2/(.234-x) to get [H+]. Once I had that, -log[H+] gave me the pH. I got [H+]=.1625 and pH=.79, which doesn't make sense at all considering it's supposed to be a weak acid, but I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.
 
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How does HCOO- react with a strong acid?

Acid with Ka=0.37 is quite strong.
 
Borek said:
How does HCOO- react with a strong acid?

Does it create Formic Acid (HCOOH)? Do I need to determine the amount of moles of HCl and NaHCOO and then that will give me how much NaHCOO is left along with how much Formic acid is made? Which I can then plug into the pH=pKA + log([A-]/[HA]) with A- being the cation of HCOOH?

Acid with Ka=0.37 is quite strong.

So my math is probably correct then?
 
TeenieBopper said:
Does it create Formic Acid (HCOOH)? Do I need to determine the amount of moles of HCl and NaHCOO and then that will give me how much NaHCOO is left
along with how much Formic acid is made?

Correct so far.

Which I can then plug into the pH=pKA + log([A-]/[HA])

Yes, that's what you should do.

with A- being the cation of HCOOH?

but this part doesn't make any sense.

So my math is probably correct then?

It IS correct.
 
Borek said:
but this part doesn't make any sense.
Okay, so i did the math, and after the formation of the Formic Acid, , I have .5352 M formic acid and .0843 sodium formate. After doing an ICE table, I find I have .003702+.009726=.013428 M COOH-. So the pH should be:

pH= -log(1.7E-4)+log(.013428/.0843)

Correct?
 
TeenieBopper said:
I have .5352 M formic acid and .0843 sodium formate

I don't see where you got these numbers from (unless your first post contains wrong data).

After doing an ICE table

You don't need ICE table, simply assume reaction went to completion.
 

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