Buffer Solution Calculation Example

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of buffer solutions, specifically preparing a buffer solution of pH 3.746 from a weak acid and determining the volume of NaOH needed. Participants explore the application of the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation, discuss methods for solving the problem, and address a related question about a different buffer solution scenario.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation for the volume of NaOH needed to achieve the desired pH, using the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation and expressing uncertainty about their answer.
  • Another participant suggests that some steps in the calculation are unnecessary and points out a potential error in the interpretation of pKa values.
  • A third participant agrees with the final volume calculated but notes that the approach could be simplified by considering moles instead of concentrations.
  • Subsequent posts introduce a new question about preparing a buffer solution of pH 3.924, prompting discussions about the method and the roles of the acid and conjugate base in the buffer system.
  • Participants debate the identification of the acid and conjugate base in the new scenario, with some expressing confusion over the terminology used.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the components of the buffer, with emphasis on the need for specificity in identifying the acid and its conjugate base.
  • One participant questions how the sodium salt of a weak acid affects the calculations, leading to further discussion about the source of the weak acid in the buffer preparation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the final volume of NaOH needed for the initial buffer solution, but there is disagreement regarding the necessity of certain steps in the calculation and the identification of components in the second buffer scenario. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the second question and the role of the sodium salt.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the identity of the acid in the second question and how it relates to the calculations. There are also unresolved issues regarding the terminology used to describe the components of the buffer solution.

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Homework Statement


Prepare a buffer solution of pH 3.746 from 25 mL of 0.244 M weak acid with pka 3.54

What volume, in mL, of 0.275 M NaOH would need to be added?

I think that I have the answer but I am not sure, could you look over the working to check?
Also, would you do this differently? If so, what would you do?

Homework Equations


Henderson-Hasselbach:
pH = pka + log_{10} \frac {[A^-]}{[HA]} \Rightarrow [H^+] = ka + \frac{[A^-]}{[HA]} \Rightarrow ka = \frac{[H^+][A^-]}{[HA]}

The Attempt at a Solution


Part I
pH = 3.746 \Rightarrow [H^+] = 10^{-3.746} = 1.79473\times10^{-4}

pka = 3.54 \Rightarrow [H^+] = 10^{-3.54} = 2.88403\times10^{-4}

ka = \frac{[H^+][A^-]}{[HA]} \Rightarrow 2.88403\times10^{-4} = 1.79473\times10^{-4}\times\frac{[A^-]}{[HA]}

\therefore \frac{[A^-]}{[HA]} = 1.60694

Pat II
25 mL of 0.244 M acid \Rightarrow 0.0061 M (6.1 mM)

Code:
+---+--------------+--------------+
|   |     Acid     |     Base     |
| I |   0.0061 M   |      0 M     |
| C |     -x M     |     +x M     |
| E | (0.0061-x)M  |      x M     |
+---+--------------+--------------+

\frac{[A^-]}{[HA]} = \frac{x}{(0.0061 - x)} \therefore \frac{x}{(0.0061 - x)} = 1.60694

Solve for x...

x = 0.00376009 (is this the moles of acid reacting?)

\frac{0.00376009}{0.275} = 0.01367305

\therefore 13.7 mL NaOH should be added.
 
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TheShiny said:
pH = pka + log_{10} \frac {[A^-]}{[HA]} \Rightarrow [H^+] = ka + \frac{[A^-]}{[HA]} \Rightarrow ka = \frac{[H^+][A^-]}{[HA]}

Correct, but completely unnecessary. You could just plug pH and pKa into HH equation, that's what it is for.

pH = 3.746 \Rightarrow [H^+] = 10^{-3.746} = 1.79473\times10^{-4}

Correct, but completely unnecessary.

pka = 3.54 \Rightarrow [H^+] = 10^{-3.54} = 2.88403\times10^{-4}

Wrong, and completely unnecessary. But I assume you meant OK, you just copied wrong.

\frac{[A^-]}{[HA]} = 1.60694

Yep, that's what is important here. As I said above, you could get here much faster.

\therefore 13.7 mL NaOH should be added.

Looks OK to me.

itex tags are for inline formulae, when you post them in their own lines, use just tex.
 
TheShiny said:

Homework Statement


Prepare a buffer solution of pH 3.746 from 25 mL of 0.244 M weak acid with pka 3.54

What volume, in mL, of 0.275 M NaOH would need to be added?

I think that I have the answer but I am not sure, could you look over the working to check?
Also, would you do this differently? If so, what would you do?

[snip]

\therefore 13.7 mL NaOH should be added.

This looks correct, though you made your life difficult.

The nice thing about the henderson-Hasselbach equation is that the log part is a ratio of concentrations, but it can just as easily be written as a ratio of moles.

pH = pKa + log [A-]/[HA] = pKa + log ( moles A- / moles HA )

At the half eq. point, moles A- = moles HA, pH = pKa + log (1) ==> pH = pKa

For your buffer, the pH is close to pKa, so you are close to the 1/2 equiv. point. Since pH is a bit larger than pKa, you are a bit past the 1/2 equiv. point, i.e. there is a bit more conj. base than conj. acid. The concentrations of acid and base are pretty close, so the half-eq. point is going to be close to half the original volume of acid -- ca. 12.5 mL.

Finding the exact answer...

3.746 = 3.54 + log (moles A-/moles HA)

moles A- / moles HA = 1.607

moles HA_0 = 25 mL * 0.244 M = 6.10 m mol

x/(6.1 mmol-x) = 1.607 ==> x = 3.76 m mol

vol OH- * 0.275 M = 3.76 m mol

vol OH- = 13.7 mL
 
Thank you for your responses.

If I had the question "Prepare a buffer solution of pH 3.924 from 50 mL of 0.236 M solution of a sodium salt of a weak acid, Na+A- where the pka of the weak acid, HA, is 3.956. What volume, in mL, of 0.208 M HCl would need to be added?"

Would I use the same method as with the initial question? What changes, if any, should I make?
 
Very similar question and very similar approach, you just need to keep track of what is the acid and what is the conjugate base here.
 
Okay, so I've just had a go and I get:

[A-]/[HA] = 0.92896

Base: 50mL * 0.236M = 11.8mM

(11.8-x)/x = 0.92896 => x = 6.11727

6.11727/0.208 = 24.4mL
 
And what is the acid here?
 
Borek said:
And what is the acid here?

The acid is 0.208 M HCl. I calculated that I should add 24.4mL.
 
TheShiny said:
The acid is 0.208 M HCl.

Nope. This is the acid you added, but it is not part of the buffer. Every buffer consist of the conjugate pair - what are the acid and its conjugate base here?
 
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Acid: HA and C. Base: A- ?
 
  • #11
TheShiny said:
Acid: HA and C. Base: A- ?

Hard to say what you mean. A- typically means "any conjugate base", so it is not specific enough. And there is no such thing as C.

Buffer has ONE acid, not two, so whatever you meant, if you listed two acids you can't be right.
 
  • #12
Borek said:
Hard to say what you mean. A- typically means "any conjugate base", so it is not specific enough. And there is no such thing as C.

Buffer has ONE acid, not two, so whatever you meant, if you listed two acids you can't be right.

I think that the OP meant "C. Base: A-" = "Conjugate Base: A-" I.e. "C. Base" was an abbreviation for "conjugate base."
 
  • #13
Ah, OK. It still doesn't help much as HA and A- are hardly specific (and I suspect OP may be confused about the identity of the acid; that's quite common).
 
  • #14
TheShiny said:
"Prepare a buffer solution of pH 3.924 from 50 mL of 0.236 M solution of a sodium salt of a weak acid, Na+A- where the pka of the weak acid, HA, is 3.956. What volume, in mL, of 0.208 M HCl would need to be added?"
Sorry if I caused confusion, that is the question verbatim.

What I don't fully understand is how the "sodium salt of a weak acid" affects the calculations that I need to do. Because, based on inspection, comparing concentrations as well as pH and pka, I think that the volume to add should be roughly half (25mL) that of the initial solution.

Depending on how I do the sums I arrive at either 24.4mL or 27.3mL and I'm not sure which answer to use.
 
  • #15
OK, so you were right about HA and A-.

Initially solution contains A- only, where does the HA come from?
 
  • #16
That's what I'm not too certain about. Is it the water that the initial solution is diluted with?
 

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