Uh, Harvard is a good uh school, right?

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The discussion revolves around the perceived speaking style of Robert Kirshner, a Harvard professor, during his lecture series "Cosmic Questions." Participants express their reactions to his frequent use of filler words like "uh," exploring its impact on comprehension and engagement. The conversation touches on broader themes of lecturing styles and communication effectiveness in academic settings.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants find Kirshner's use of "uh" distracting and indicative of uncertainty in his speech.
  • Others argue that despite the filler words, Kirshner is clear and conveys interesting information.
  • A few participants express frustration with their own experiences of listening to professors who use vague terminology or struggle to articulate their thoughts.
  • There are mentions of other lecturers who pause thoughtfully, suggesting that pauses can enhance the delivery of content when used effectively.
  • Some participants compare Kirshner's style to that of other professors, noting varying levels of clarity and engagement.
  • There is a discussion about the use of other filler words, such as "like," and how they compare to "uh" in terms of annoyance and impact on communication.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness of Kirshner's speaking style. While some appreciate his clarity, others find the frequent "uhs" detrimental to the lecture experience. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall impact of such speaking habits on audience engagement.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of tolerance for filler words and pauses, indicating that personal preferences and past experiences with different lecturers influence their opinions. The discussion highlights the subjective nature of communication styles in academic settings.

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I've got this 8 part lecture series titled "Cosmic Questions" and it is given by Robert Kirshner, Harvard professor. I can hardly handle listening to it, because every other word is uh. I've tried telling myself to just ignore the uhs, but the more I try to ignore them the more they stand out. I'm sure I'd love the lectures if the uhs could be taken out. Does it bother you to uh hear someone who uh talks like uh this?
 
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I know why it is done, I just find it irritating.
 
"By using supernovae to understand the universe... Einstein's blunder is undone."

"And for a little while a supernova is about as bright as a billion stars." :eek:

Wow, didn't know that. Learn something new everyday.

Actually, this guy is so far is pretty clear in his words. Try listening to some engineering professors I've had, can't understand a word. :smile:
 
Once I notice "uhs" it's all I can focus on. So annoying.

I keep thinking, human dial tone...human dial tone...
 
Actually, this guy is so far is pretty clear in his words. Try listening to some engineering professors I've had, can't understand a word.

My professor over simplifies the lecture like "uhh.. you know this stuff .. somewhere along the line"

He hardly sticks to any terminology which he calls "crap", "stuff", or "this"/"that".
 
His lecture isn't that bad.....come on now...
 
Ugh! He sounds like he was figuring out what he was going to say as he went along rather than having thought out his talk in advance! I can't stand "uhhs" in lectures, and even worse, when he's not "uhh"ing, he's draaaaaawwwwwing his words out in a very unnatural cadence while seeming to search for words as he's talking.

People use "uh" a lot when they are uncertain of what they are speaking about...or haven't given it enough thought to have fleshed it out to be fluid. It's especially horrid at the beginning of a talk. If you haven't even gotten your introduction nailed, I can only imagine the rest of the lecture going downhill.
 
Moonbear said:
Ugh! He sounds like he was figuring out what he was going to say as he went along rather than having thought out his talk in advance! I can't stand "uhhs" in lectures, and even worse, when he's not "uhh"ing, he's draaaaaawwwwwing his words out in a very unnatural cadence while seeming to search for words as he's talking.

People use "uh" a lot when they are uncertain of what they are speaking about...or haven't given it enough thought to have fleshed it out to be fluid. It's especially horrid at the beginning of a talk. If you haven't even gotten your introduction nailed, I can only imagine the rest of the lecture going downhill.

MB makes a good point. Saying uhh a lot means that you are unsure of what to say. It gives the impression of being unprepared. As a person whose job it is to lecture, I would expect him to be a better, more prepared speaker.

Of course, the "uhhs" could just be a bad habit, but that doesn't change people's impressions of the lecture.
 
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We have a nobel laureate professor of economics at school. He gave a talk to some physicists in the area of global warming and how economics come into the picture. It was interesting to listen to this old guy talk, as he talked slowly but tried to chose his words carefully. So he would talk.....and pause for a second as if thinking hard about his next choice of words......and then continue on with his thoughts. It made what he had to say more dramatic and 'important'.

Some of the audience was being a bit jackassey by interrupting him and correcting his statements from a physics standpoint. One guy said 'yeah and too much CO2 and its like jupiter...whats your point?' The guy who said this is another professor (I think) younger in his early 40s, but he should have had more courtesy and respect when talking to a distinguished staff member.

Hey, I found a video of him on youtube (same topic, different place)
 
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At least he wasn't like, "like" all the time like some of my students, like, are... :rolleyes:
 
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jtbell said:
At least he wasn't like, "like" all the time like some of my students, like, are... :rolleyes:

Ha! Like totally! I was walking back from lunch with some fellow grad students today. This girl walked by on her cell phone OHMYGOD talking to her like, friends...and we could like, totally hear her. So when she passed is I was LIKE TALKING LIKE THIS REAL LOUD SO SHE COULD LIKE, HEAR ME. My friend said (laughing) , 'you know, you're a jerk right?' I just said to him yeahhhhh and shrugged with a big smile.
 
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Cyrus said:
Ha! Like totally! I was walking back from lunch with some fellow grad students today. This girl walked by on her cell phone OHMYGOD talking to her like, friends...and we could like, totally hear her. So when she passed is I was LIKE TALKING LIKE THIS REAL LOUD SO SHE COULD LIKE, HEAR ME. My friend said (laughing) , 'you know, you're a jerk right?' I just said to him yeahhhhh and shrugged with a big smile.

Uh, like like is uh like really uh worse than like uh...:rolleyes:
 
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I do the same thing when some idiot guys are like......whoa...totally talking bro....what?...
 
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Cyrus said:
Ha! Like totally! I was walking back from lunch with some fellow grad students today. This girl walked by on her cell phone OHMYGOD talking to her like, friends...and we could like, totally hear her. So when she passed is I was LIKE TALKING LIKE THIS REAL LOUD SO SHE COULD LIKE, HEAR ME. My friend said (laughing) , 'you know, you're a jerk right?' I just said to him yeahhhhh and shrugged with a big smile.

I don't think he was laughing because he thought you were funny.

Who cares, anyway, if they abuse the filler word 'like' so what?

We have a lecturer who pauses a lot and wastes an incredible amount of time because of it and he also struggles to explain concepts and ideas well. He also does this course yearly, so one would think that with such experience he might have it all down pat.
 
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whitay said:
I don't think he was laughing because he thought you were funny.

I never said he was, in fact, I explicitly said he was laughing because I was being a jerk.

Who cares, anyway, if they abuse the filler word 'like' so what?

Because I respect people who can use the english language.

We have a lecturer who pauses a lot and wastes an incredible amount of time because of it and he also struggles to explain concepts and ideas well. He also does this course yearly, so one would think that with such experience he might have it all down pat.

Well, that's too bad. We all have classes with people that lecture poorly. But your analogy really does not compare to the lecture I attended becasue he wasnt trying to 'teach' anything to a class, and his pauses were not that long. They were just long enough to have impact. When he would think about his next words carefully, he would do a staring sweep across the room with those eyes of his saying 'im going to finish this pause and talk, and you're going to listen to me'.

The guy is classic old school. I felt like I was in a classroom from the 1940's as he spoke.
 
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whitay said:
We have a lecturer who pauses a lot and wastes an incredible amount of time because of it and he also struggles to explain concepts and ideas well. He also does this course yearly, so one would think that with such experience he might have it all down pat.

I think it's all better than the ones who talk non-stop and never really get around to saying anything. We have a couple of those in my department. They do the same thing in meetings, which reminds me that I have to ask the chair of our one committee to start putting the agenda items from one of them at the end of the meeting so we can get to all the other things we need to discuss and have a reason to cut him off when he talks too long.
 

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