ULXs & Black Holes: Unveiling Secrets of Escape Velocity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around Ultra Luminous X-ray sources (ULXs) and their relationship with black holes, focusing on the nature of X-ray emissions, escape velocity, and the potential for energy extraction from these emissions. Participants explore various aspects of the topic, including the physics of X-rays, momentum, and the characteristics of ULXs.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the velocity of ULXs escaping from black holes and whether they would need to exceed the speed of light.
  • There is a clarification that X-rays travel at the speed of light in a vacuum, and the term ULX refers to the emission characteristics of the source, not the X-rays themselves.
  • Participants discuss the nature of X-ray emissions from black holes, emphasizing that emissions originate from processes outside the event horizon.
  • Some participants propose that the momentum of X-rays could potentially be transformed into energy, referencing the energy-momentum relation.
  • There is a suggestion that photons, despite having no mass, could exert a force due to their momentum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of ULXs, the mechanics of X-ray emissions, and the implications of photon momentum. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on these topics.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached consensus on the specific mechanics of ULXs and their relationship with black holes, nor on the implications of photon momentum in energy extraction.

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Scientists had long thought that black holes were the only sources for ULXs. As black holes consume nearby material, they emit powerful
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X-rays thought to be responsible for the extremely bright ULX objects.

http://www.space.com/27385-pulsar-discovery-superbright-xray-beacon.html

A few questions.

1.How fast is the velocity of the escaping ULX from the black hole?
2.Wouldn't the ULX have to be traveling faster than the speed of light to escape the black hole?
3.What is the distance from the black hole that a ULX is able to travel once the ULX escape?
4.Specifically what type or types of material generate the ULX's?
5.Are the ULX's able to be gathered or harvested for energy production use?
 
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X rays are part of the electromagnetic spectrum. Why would you think they travel at any speed other than c (in a vacuum) ?

You keep talking about "ULX" (which is the name of an X-ray emitting object) as thought the term were synonymous with X-ray. That's like saying the sun is exactly the same thing as visible light.

An "Ultra Luminous" X-ray source just emits a lot of X-rays (and I mean a LOT of X-rays) but this is a quantitative characteristic of the emmissive object, not a characteristic of the X-rays, which are, after all, just X-rays.

Nothing escapes from a black hole. The X-ray emission "from a black hole" is from the accretion disk / processes outside the Event Horizon
 
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An "Ultra Luminous" X-ray source just emits a lot of X-rays (and I mean a LOT of X-rays) but this is a quantitative characteristic of the emmissive object, not a characteristic of the X-rays, which are, after all, just X-rays.

If there are a lot of X-rays being produced from a black hole would the x ray have a momentum value that could be transformed into energy?
 
Dryson said:
An "Ultra Luminous" X-ray source just emits a lot of X-rays (and I mean a LOT of X-rays) but this is a quantitative characteristic of the emmissive object, not a characteristic of the X-rays, which are, after all, just X-rays.

If there are a lot of X-rays being produced from a black hole would the x ray have a momentum value that could be transformed into energy?
X-rays, or rather all photons, always have a momentum that can be related to the energy of the photon by the equation E=pc. This comes from the more general form of the energy-momentum relation.
 
X-rays, or rather all photons, always have a momentum that can be related to the energy of the photon by the equation E=pc. This comes from the more general form of the energy-momentum relation.

So would this mean that photons having momentum even though they do not have any mass could create a force of resistance against an object?
 
Dryson said:
X-rays, or rather all photons, always have a momentum that can be related to the energy of the photon by the equation E=pc. This comes from the more general form of the energy-momentum relation.

So would this mean that photons having momentum even though they do not have any mass could create a force of resistance against an object?
Photons always have a momentum p=E/c.
 
Dryson, please learn how to use the quote mechanism built into the forum. Your lack of doing so makes your posts slightly confusing.
 

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