Understand Isotropic Tensors for Physics

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The discussion revolves around understanding isotropic tensors, particularly of order four, and their application in deriving the Navier-Stokes equations within fluid mechanics. Participants are exploring the mathematical foundations and proofs related to isotropic tensors as part of their studies in physics and engineering.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the form of the most general isotropic tensor of order four as presented in their textbook, seeking clarification and proof.
  • Another participant shares a link to a lecture that may provide helpful information regarding isotropic tensors.
  • A subsequent reply acknowledges the usefulness of the provided lecture link.
  • Another participant points out that the lecture missed mentioning that the permutation tensor is isotropic of rank 3, suggesting a potential gap in the material discussed.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the proof of the isotropic tensor form, and there are differing views on the completeness of the provided lecture material.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights a lack of clarity regarding the proof of the isotropic tensor form and the implications of the permutation tensor's isotropy, indicating potential gaps in understanding that remain unresolved.

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Hello everyone, this seems like a great forum here with a lot of knowlegable people and I was hoping someone could help me out with this question. I'm an engineering student and I've recently decided to switch into physics. Now I'm trying to catch up on the math I'm going to need, so I'm studying tensors. The book I'm using says
"It can be shown that the most general isotropic tensor of order four is of the form \eta_{iklm}=A\delta_{ik}\delta_{lm} + B\delta_{il}\delta_{km} +C\delta_{im}\delta_{kl}"
At the time I read that I just skipped over it because I couldn't figure out how to get that and it didn't seem that important. But later on in the book they have a whole section on fluid mechanics where they use this to derive the Navier-Stokes equations and then from there on everything they do involves these equations, so its very frustrating not to understand this one little equation because it basically means I don't follow the whole section. Could anyone tell me where I could find a proof of this or outline how the proof goes? Thanks a lot!
 
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Possibly helpful:
http://www.ig.utexas.edu/people/students/classes/spring02/geo391/Lecture1.pdf
 
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robphy said:
Possibly helpful:
http://www.ig.utexas.edu/people/students/classes/spring02/geo391/Lecture1.pdf
Very helpful. Thank you!
 
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Except that Lecture 1 missed that the permutation tensor is isotropic of rank 3.
 

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