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The discussion revolves around the mathematical relationships involving proportionality constants in equations related to resistance, specifically how to combine different expressions for resistance to derive a final equation. Participants are exploring the conceptual understanding of combining these relationships, particularly in the context of physics and mathematics.

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  • One participant presents equations for resistance: R = k1 x L and R = k2 x 1/A, and asks how to derive R = ρ L/A from these.
  • Another participant interprets the constants k1 and k2 as powers of k rather than distinct constants, leading to a discussion about multiplication of terms.
  • There is a question about why multiplication is used in combining the equations instead of addition, with participants attempting to clarify the reasoning behind the mathematical operations involved.
  • A later reply suggests that k1 and k2 are only constants under specific conditions, indicating that the relationships depend on the variables being held constant.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the constants and the operations used to combine the equations. There is no consensus on the best approach to derive the final equation, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants highlight the importance of understanding the conditions under which the constants k1 and k2 are valid, indicating that the relationships may not hold universally without specific assumptions about the variables involved.

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hello everyone,:wink:

suppose i have ("x" stands for multiplication)
1:-- T=k1 x H; and
2:-- T=k2 x 1/N;
3:-- then T=k3 x H/N

how do i combine "1" and "2" to get "3". trying to understand conceptually. help me please. many thanks for any help you can give me.

cheers
 
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Your notation is not clear. I would interpret "k1" and "k2" as different values of k indexed by 1 and 2 but apparently you mean powers: [itex]k^1= k[/itex] and [itex]k^2= k*k[/itex]
[tex]\left(k H\right)\left(\frac{k^2}{N}\right)= \frac{k(k)(k) H}{N}= \frac{k^3H}{N}= k^3\frac{H}{N}[/tex]
 
painterguy said:
hello everyone,:wink:

suppose i have ("x" stands for multiplication) and k1, k2, and k3 are any constants:
1:-- T=k1 x H; and
2:-- T=k2 x 1/N;
3:-- then T=k3 x H/N

how do i combine "1" and "2" to get "3". trying to understand conceptually. help me please. many thanks for any help you can give me.

cheers

HallsofIvy said:
Your notation is not clear. I would interpret "k1" and "k2" as different values of k indexed by 1 and 2 but apparently you mean powers: [itex]k^1= k[/itex] and [itex]k^2= k*k[/itex]
[tex]\left(k H\right)\left(\frac{k^2}{N}\right)= \frac{k(k)(k) H}{N}= \frac{k^3H}{N}= k^3\frac{H}{N}[/tex]

many thanks HallsofIvy. my quoted post above is edited to reflect what i actually wanted to say. why are you multiplying "1" and "2" to get "3".

i understand in such proportional relations multiplication is done but why? why don't we add?:confused:

cheers
 
painterguy said:
many thanks HallsofIvy. my quoted post above is edited to reflect what i actually wanted to say. why are you multiplying "1" and "2" to get "3".

i understand in such proportional relations multiplication is done but why? why don't we add?:confused:

cheers

If I understand you correctly, we do add. [tex](k^{1})(k^{2}) = (k^{3})[/tex]

This can be explained by [tex](k)(k \cdot k) = k \cdot k \cdot k = k^{1+1+1} = k^{3}[/tex]

The only time we multiply exponent cases is when we have something like [tex](k^{2})^{3} = k^{6}[/tex]
 
KrisOhn said:
If I understand you correctly, we do add. [tex](k^{1})(k^{2}) = (k^{3})[/tex]

This can be explained by [tex](k)(k \cdot k) = k \cdot k \cdot k = k^{1+1+1} = k^{3}[/tex]

The only time we multiply exponent cases is when we have something like [tex](k^{2})^{3} = k^{6}[/tex]

many thanks KrisOhn.:smile:

my post# 3 is corrected. there is no k3, k2, etc. now help me please

cheers
 
You're going to have to rephrase your question in a clearer manner, I don't see what you're getting at other than what we've already outlined.
 
KrisOhn;3219896 said:
You're going to have to rephrase your question in a clearer manner, I don't see what you're getting at other than what we've already outlined.

okay here it is.

Resistance is proportional to length: R [tex]\propto[/tex] L
Resistance is inversely proportional to Area: R [tex]\propto[/tex] 1/A

1:- R = k1 x L
2:- R = k2 x 1/A
3:- R = [tex]\rho[/tex] L/A

k1 and k2 are constants of proportionality.

how do we get "3" from "1" and "2". tell me please now. many thanks.

cheers
 
hello, :wink:

will someone please help me out? i will be grateful. if something is still unclear please tell me. i will try to clear it up.

cheers
 
PainterGuy said:
okay here it is.

Resistance is proportional to length: R [tex]\propto[/tex] L
Resistance is inversely proportional to Area: R [tex]\propto[/tex] 1/A

1:- R = k1 x L
2:- R = k2 x 1/A
3:- R = [tex]\rho[/tex] L/A

k1 and k2 are constants of proportionality.

how do we get "3" from "1" and "2". tell me please now. many thanks.

cheers

Because [itex]k_1 = \rho / A[/itex] and [itex]k_2 = \rho L[/itex]

That is, k1 is only a constant if A is fixed and k2 is only constant if L is fixed. What I mean is that [itex]R = k_1 L[/itex] is only valid for the case where "L" is the only thing being varied.
 

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