Understanding Additive Factor Group Q/Z

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The discussion revolves around the additive factor group Q/Z and its properties, particularly in relation to the torsion subgroup of R/Z and its isomorphism to the multiplicative group of roots of unity in C. Participants explore theoretical implications and relationships between these mathematical structures.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that Q/Z could be shown to be the torsion subgroup of R/Z, but express uncertainty about how to demonstrate this.
  • One participant claims to have shown that if r + Z is an element of R/Z with finite order, then r must be an element of Q, suggesting a connection between the two groups.
  • Another participant questions the isomorphism of Q/Z to the multiplicative group U∗, which consists of all roots of unity in C, and introduces a specific mapping f: Q/Z → U* defined by f(q + Z) = e^(2πiq).
  • There is a challenge regarding the repetition of questions, indicating some confusion or lack of clarity in the discussion.
  • One participant asserts that if Q/Z is a subset of the torsion subgroup T, then any real number r not in Q would lead to a contradiction regarding the order of r + Z.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the relationships between Q/Z, R/Z, and U∗, with multiple competing views and unresolved questions remaining in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the properties of the groups and mappings are not fully explored, and there are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the proofs and implications discussed.

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If we're considering the additive factor group Q/Z, can we show that Q/Z is the torsion subgroup of R/Z? I'm lost on these.
 
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Alright, so I showed this:


We have that if r+Z is an element of R/Z, and the order of r + Z = n, nr is an element of Z implies that r is an element of Q.

But what about this: Show that Q/Z is isomorphic to the multiplicative group U∗ consisting of all roots of unityin C. (That is, U∗ = {z ∈ C|zn=1 for some n ∈ Z+}.)
 
DanielThrice said:
Alright, so I showed this:


We have that if r+Z is an element of R/Z, and the order of r + Z = n, nr is an element of Z implies that r is an element of Q.

But what about this: Show that Q/Z is isomorphic to the multiplicative group U∗ consisting of all roots of unityin C. (That is, U∗ = {z ∈ C|zn=1 for some n ∈ Z+}.)

what can you say about the map f:Q/Z-->U* given by:

f(q + Z) = e2πiq
 
DanielThrice said:
Alright, so I showed this:


We have that if r+Z is an element of R/Z, and the order of r + Z = n, nr is an element of Z implies that r is an element of Q.

But what about this: Show that Q/Z is isomorphic to the multiplicative group U∗ consisting of all roots of unityin C. (That is, U∗ = {z ∈ C|zn=1 for some n ∈ Z+}.)

you are just restating the same question in different language.
 
DanielThrice said:
If we're considering the additive factor group Q/Z, can we show that Q/Z is the torsion subgroup of R/Z? I'm lost on these.

It is quite easy, let T be the torsion subgroup. It is easy to proove Q/Z \subseteq T.

If we have Q/Z \subset T then there is a real number r \notin Q such that r + Z has finite order. This implies r \in Q. Contradiction so Q/Z = T.
 

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