Understanding Cantor Set - What Are The Points Between Endpoints?

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The discussion revolves around the Cantor set, specifically addressing the nature of points within the Cantor set that are not endpoints of the intervals used in its construction. Participants explore the countability of certain subsets and the concept of limit points, as well as representations of numbers within the Cantor set.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the set of endpoints (A) is countable, while the Cantor set (C) is uncountable, and that A is a proper subset of C.
  • One participant suggests that the points in C that are not in A can be understood as limit points of sequences in A.
  • Another participant explains that points in the Cantor set can be expressed in base 3 without using the digit 1, with specific examples provided for clarity.
  • There is a recognition of the difficulty in visualizing limit points within the Cantor set, with one participant reflecting on their own learning experience regarding this concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the countability of A and the uncountability of C, but the nature of the points in C - A remains a topic of exploration and is not fully resolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the explicit nature of points in C that are not endpoints, and there is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in understanding limit points and ternary expansions.

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Let C be the Cantor set
Let A be the set which is the union of those end points of each interval in each step of the cantor set construction

It seems to be true that A is countable and C is uncountable. Moreover, A is a proper subset of C. But I cannot imagin what kind of the points in C - A should be, for if p is not an end point of some interval, p seems to be an interior point of some interval but contor set contains no segment. Is there any way to understand these points besides using an ternary expansion to prove that C is uncountable and hence ponits like this simply exist?

Any help would be appreciated
 
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C is the *limit* of that construction. There is nothing odd about an uncountable set being a limit of a sequence of countable ones like that. The real numbers would be such an example: take the set D_n to be the numbers with n digits after the decimal point. The 'limit' of these sets are the real numbers.

The things in C-A are the limit points of sequences in A.
 
ah, I understand it now. Thanks. sometimes it is difficult to have an explicit view of the existence of limit points
 
Alternatively, the points of the Cantor set are numbers 0 <= x <=1 which can be written in base 3 with no 1's. eg x=0.20022002...
The endpoints are such numbers which eventually become repeating 2s or repeating 0s. eg, x = 0.2022222...
You can approximate any number as closely as you like by ones with a terminating base-3 expansion.
 
boombaby said:
Let C be the Cantor set
Let A be the set which is the union of those end points of each interval in each step of the cantor set construction

It seems to be true that A is countable and C is uncountable. Moreover, A is a proper subset of C. But I cannot imagin what kind of the points in C - A should be, for if p is not an end point of some interval, p seems to be an interior point of some interval but contor set contains no segment. Is there any way to understand these points besides using an ternary expansion to prove that C is uncountable and hence ponits like this simply exist?

Any help would be appreciated

I saw you solved already your doubts.
I remember having the same doubt when I saw the Cantor dust for the first time.
It took quite lot of time to understand it by myself!
 

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