Understanding: Eigenvalues & Eigenvectors/Diagonalizing

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The discussion revolves around understanding eigenvalues and eigenvectors, particularly in the context of diagonalizing matrices. Participants express challenges in grasping the concepts as presented in a specific textbook and seek additional resources and clarifications. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects, definitions, and practical applications of eigenvalues and eigenvectors.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the material on eigenvalues and eigenvectors, suggesting that the textbook may lack clarity.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of engaging with the material by identifying specific areas of confusion.
  • A participant provides a definition of eigenvalues and eigenvectors, explaining their relationship through a linear transformation and the concept of forming a subspace of eigenvectors.
  • It is noted that not all linear transformations can be diagonalized, with conditions regarding the independence of eigenvectors and the uniqueness of eigenvalues discussed.
  • Participants inquire about the practical significance of eigenvalues and eigenvectors, with one asking for a clear explanation of their implications and origins.
  • A participant relates eigenvalues and eigenvectors to physical systems, such as the hydrogen atom in quantum mechanics and sound waves in fluid dynamics, highlighting their role in describing fundamental modes of these systems.
  • Another participant discusses the utility of diagonal matrices, noting that having a complete set of eigenvectors allows for easier manipulation of linear transformations.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and clarity regarding eigenvalues and eigenvectors. While some provide definitions and applications, there is no consensus on the best way to approach the material or the clarity of the textbook. Multiple competing views on the significance and interpretation of these concepts remain present.

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Some participants mention the limitations of the textbook in explaining the concepts, indicating potential gaps in the material. There is also a discussion about the conditions under which matrices can be diagonalized, which remains unresolved.

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Hello,

I'm having problem understanding this particular part, don't know it seems too dry and behind my capabilities of imagining the problems!, in the same time I feel like there is too many gaps in the way that the book explain the subject.

I'm using "Mathematical methods in the physical sciences by mary boas"

is there any useful references or youtube lectures you can suggest for me?
 
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We can't help unless you try to dive in the problem and tell us which part of the chapter you can't grasp. For prelim, do you know what matrix is and what operations exist among matrices?
 
you know it's in the end a methods book not a pure mathematical book, the problem is that I think somehow that there is a messing details in the section I'm reading "which is on eigenvalues & eigenvectors; diagnolizing matrices "

Ok, the same book I mentioned chapter 3 section 11. And yes I know what is matrix and what is operations.
 
What do you know about eigenvectors and eigenvalues? The basic definition of 'eigenvalue' and 'eigenvector' is that [itex]\vec{v}[/itex] is an eigenvector of linear transformation A, corresponding to eigenvalue [itex]\lambda[/itex] if and only if [itex]A\vec{v}= \lambda\vec{v}[/itex] so that, in its simplest sense, A simply acts like multiplication by [itex]\lambda[/itex] when applied to [itex]\vec{v}[/itex]. Of course, just one vector acting like that wouldn't be very usefulTo but it is easy to prove "The set of all eigenvectors corresponding to eigenvalue [itex]\lambda[/itex] form a subspace: If [itex]\vec{u}[/itex] and [itex]\vec{v}[/itex] are both eigenvectors of A corresponding to the same eigenvalue, [itex]\lambda[/itex] then, for any numbers a and b, [itex]a\vec{u}+ b\vec{v}[/itex] is also an eigenvector.

An important result of that is: "If we can find a basis for the vector space consisting entirely of eigenvectors of A, then A, written as a matrix using that particular basis, is a diagonal matrix with its eigenvalues on the diagonal". To see that you need to recognize that if we apply any matrix, M, to the basis vectors of the vectors space, the result gives the columns of M. That is, if [itex]Me_i= a_1e_1+ a_2e_2+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ a_ne_n[/itex] then the ith column of the matrix must be [itex]\begin{bmatrix}a_1 \\ a_2 \\ \cdot\cdot\cdot \\ a_n\end{bmatrix}[/itex]. To see that recognize that [itex]e_i[/itex] would be written as a column with all "0"s except for a "1" in the ith place so that when we multiply by each row in the matrix M, we have only the number in the ith row of the column.

However, not every linear transformation has that property. That is, not every matrix can be "diagonalized". If all eigenvalues are different then the corresponding eigenvectors must be independent so there exist a basis of eigevectors. Even if there are not n different eigenvalues, eigenvectors corresponding to the same eigenvalue might be independent but not always.
 
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What is the practical importance of "Eigenvalues" and Eigenvectors" ? Can somebody please explain them clearly as to what they indicate and how they were invented.
 
Eigenvalues and eigenvectors represent the fundamental modes of a linear system.

It helps to consider some physics systems. For instance when studying the hydrogen atom in quantum mechanics there is a linear operator for the energy. The eigenvectors of this operator give you the electron orbitals, and the eigenvalue gives you the energy associated with a particular orbital.

In fluid dynamics you can derive sound waves from studying the properties of a linear operator. The eigenvectors of this operator give you information as to how the wave propagates, and the eigenvalues gives you the speed of sound.
 
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If a linear transformation, from an n-dimensional vector space to itself, has a "complete set of eigenvectors", that is n independent eigenvectors, then using those eigenvectors as basis vectors the linear transformation can be written as a diagonal matrix with the eigenvalues on the main diagonal.

A diagonal matrix is particularly easy to work with. In particular a diagonal matrix is invertible if and only none of the numbers on its diagonal (its eigenvalues) are 0 and then its inverse matrix is the diagonal matrix with the reciprocals of the diagonal numbers of the original matrix on its diagonal.
 
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