Understanding Energy Eigenstates: Orbitals and Energy Bands Explained

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The discussion revolves around the concept of energy eigenstates in quantum mechanics, specifically in relation to orbitals, energy bands, and the Hamiltonian of various systems. Participants explore the definitions and contexts in which energy eigenstates apply, including electrons in atoms and molecular vibrations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether energy eigenstates refer specifically to orbitals from the ground state, within a single orbital, or from energy bands in molecular systems.
  • It is suggested that the state of the electron and the state of the molecule are distinct and context-dependent.
  • Energy eigenstates are defined as eigenstates of the Hamiltonian, possessing a constant energy, applicable across various quantum systems.
  • Participants note that there is no single "most common use" of energy eigenstates; the application depends on the specific context, such as electronic states of atoms or molecular vibrations.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the Hamiltonian's role in defining energy eigenstates, emphasizing that the physics described is contingent on the Hamiltonian used.
  • A later post raises a question about the selection of preferred basis in energy eigenstates in the context of environmental decoherence, specifically whether it pertains to the Hamiltonian for a Morse potential or the Hamiltonian for electron-nucleus interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the context and definitions of energy eigenstates, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence of definitions on context, and the discussion includes unresolved aspects regarding the specific applications of energy eigenstates in different quantum systems.

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Does Energy Eigenstates refer to each orbital from the ground state or within one orbital in terms of the kinetic and potential energy of the electron in the orbital or from energy bands of molecular system? What is the term for each case called?
 
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That would depend on what the state was describing. The electron will have a state and the molecule will have a different one. I guess they would be called the state of the electron and the state of the molecule.
 
Energy eigenstate means that it is an eigenstate of the Hamiltonian, and therefore has a defined (constant) energy. It is a common expression for all sorts of quantum systems.
 
DrClaude said:
Energy eigenstate means that it is an eigenstate of the Hamiltonian, and therefore has a defined (constant) energy. It is a common expression for all sorts of quantum systems.

Can you give an example of the most common applications for this. I'd like to know to if the state of the electron or the state of the molecule is the most common use.
 
There is no "most common use," it is a matter of context. If you're talking about electronics states of an atom, then these are energy eigenstates of the Hamiltonian describing the electrons and their interaction with the nucleus. If you are talking about the vibrations of a diatomic molecule, then they can be as simplified as the energy eigenstates of the Hamiltonian for a Morse potential, without any consideration for electrons (Born-Oppenheimer approximation).

Basically, you have a Hamiltonian ##\hat{H}## describing some quantum system, so the ##\psi_i## such that
$$
\hat{H} \psi_i = E_i \psi_i
$$
are energy eigenstates. The physics being describe basically boil down to what is in ##\hat{H}##.

If this is still not clear, you will have to give a more explicit context for your question.
 
DrClaude said:
There is no "most common use," it is a matter of context. If you're talking about electronics states of an atom, then these are energy eigenstates of the Hamiltonian describing the electrons and their interaction with the nucleus. If you are talking about the vibrations of a diatomic molecule, then they can be as simplified as the energy eigenstates of the Hamiltonian for a Morse potential, without any consideration for electrons (Born-Oppenheimer approximation).

Basically, you have a Hamiltonian ##\hat{H}## describing some quantum system, so the ##\psi_i## such that
$$
\hat{H} \psi_i = E_i \psi_i
$$
are energy eigenstates. The physics being describe basically boil down to what is in ##\hat{H}##.

If this is still not clear, you will have to give a more explicit context for your question.

In environmental decoherence.. in the selection of preferred basis in energy eigenstates (when position basis is not chosen or in addition to).. does it usually choose the energy eigenstates of the Hamiltonian for a Morse potential or the Hamiltonian describing the electrons and their interaction with the nucleus?
 

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