Understanding Exact Differential Equations: Definition and Application

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The discussion centers around the concept of exact differential equations (DEs), exploring their definitions, significance, and applications. Participants express confusion regarding the nature of exact DEs, their classification, and their relationship to other types of differential equations, such as homogeneous DEs. The conversation includes both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that exact DEs are a classification based on properties rather than methods of solving, similar to how quadratics are defined.
  • Others discuss the mathematical foundation of exact DEs, explaining the relationship between exact differentials and the conditions under which certain equations can be classified as exact.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the significance of exact DEs, questioning whether they hold meaning beyond being a method for solving equations.
  • Another participant highlights the distinction between different meanings of "homogeneous" in the context of first-order and higher-order differential equations.
  • Some participants reflect on their understanding of the definitions, expressing a desire to grasp the deeper implications of exact DEs beyond superficial definitions.
  • A later reply suggests a real-life analogy, relating gravitational fields to gravitational potential, while also noting that mathematics can exist independently of physical interpretations.

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Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement, particularly regarding the definitions and implications of exact and homogeneous differential equations. Some express clarity on definitions, while others indicate a lack of deeper understanding, suggesting that the discussion remains unresolved in terms of conceptual clarity.

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Limitations include varying interpretations of terms like "exact" and "homogeneous," as well as differing levels of understanding among participants regarding the mathematical rigor and real-world applications of these concepts.

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I am having confusion, so from what I understand for an exact DE

dy/dx = some DE and you can manipulate it so that (y/x) appears and substitute that for v when you say y=vx, then just use separation of variables and solve.

However, what is the significance of an exact DE, why is it useful, or is it just a way that someone has figured out how to solve and bares no meaning beyond being a method to solve that type of DE?
 
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It's a classification of a DE according to it's properties - the label is applied without reference to the method of solving it. i.e. you don't need to see if it can be solved by the method for exact DEs to discover it is exact.

It's like polynomials of order 2 are called "quadratics" - quadratics have particular characteristics and you have a standard set of tools for dealing with them.

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The nomenclature of "exact differential equation" refers to the exact derivative of a function.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exact_differential_equation
 
Back in Calculus, you should have seen the concept of an "exact differential". If we have a function, f(x, y), with x and y both depending on the parameter, t, we could replace them with their expression in terms of t and find df/dt. Or, we could use the "chain rule":
\frac{df}{dt}= \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\frac{dx}{dt}+ \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\frac{dy}{dt}
We can then change to "differential form"
df= \frac{df}{dt}dt= (\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\frac{dx}{dt}+ \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\frac{dy}{dt})dt= \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}dx+ \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}dy
Notice that the last form,
df= \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}dx+ \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}dy
has no mention of "t" and is true irrespective of any parameter.

Of course, if I have an equation that says "df= 0" then I can immediately write "f(x,y)= C" for some constant C.

But I can write g(x,y)dx+ h(x,y)dy that are NOT, in fact, "exact differentials".
If df= \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}dx+ \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}dy= g(x,y)dx+ h(x, y)dy, and g and h have, themselves, continuous derivatives, we must have \partial g/\partial y= \partial^2 f/\partial x\partial y= \partial h/\partial x
If that is NOT true, gdx+ hdy is just "pretending" to be a differential- it not an "exact differential". If it is true, then gdx+ hdy= 0 is an "exact differential equation" and, once we find the correct f(x,y), we can write the general solution to the equation as f(x,y)= Constant.
 
I feel dumb haha, I said what is an exact DE but what I described is homogeneous. I guess what is both really
 
The phrase "homogeneous differential equation" is used in two distinctly different ways. A first order differential equation can be written in the form dy/dx= f(x, y) for some function f. The function is said to be "homogeneous" of degree n if f(\lambda x, \lambda y)= \lambda^n f(x, y). The differential equation dy/dx= f(x,y) is "homogeneous" if and only if f is "homogeneous".

But "homogeneous" has a different meaning for higher order linear equations. A linear differential equation can be written in the form f_n(x)d^ny/dx^n+ f_{n-1}(x)d^{n-1}y/dx^{n-1}+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ f_1(x)dy/dx+ f_0(x)y= g(x). Such an equation is "homogenous[/b] if and only if the function on the right (the only one not multiply the function y or a derivative of it) is 0.

Those definitions can be found in any differential equations textbook or on Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homogeneous_differential_equation.
 
I get these definitions (I've read the wikipedia articles), but I don't feel like I really understand them on anymore than a superficial level. Yeah I can spout off the definition and carry out a calculation, but do I really know the heart and soul of it??

For the exact DE, what is the potential function supposed to represent, maybe in a real life situation (mathematics rigorous definitions are incomprehensible to me).
 
Look at the relation between gravitational field and gravitational potential.

However, mathematics is completely self-contained and need not refer to anything in nature. It is all about the relationships between numbers.
 

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