Understanding Gravitational Pull and Its Effects on Humans

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The discussion centers around the concept of gravitational pull, particularly how it applies to humans and everyday objects. Participants explore the nature of gravitational force, its calculation, and the implications of mass and distance on gravitational interactions. The conversation includes technical reasoning, conceptual clarifications, and some debate over definitions and interpretations.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that all objects with mass, including humans, exert a gravitational pull, albeit very small.
  • One participant provides the formula for gravitational force, noting that the force is negligible for small masses compared to larger ones like Earth.
  • Another participant challenges the explanation of the gravitational constant and its comparison to mass, emphasizing the need for clarity in terminology.
  • There is a discussion about the correct notation for gravitational force, with some suggesting it should be denoted as Fg instead of g.
  • Participants debate the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration, with one questioning the statement that force can be equated to acceleration.
  • Another participant explains the gravitational force formula and clarifies that force and acceleration are different quantities, despite having similar numerical values in certain contexts.
  • A thought experiment related to Einstein's theory is introduced, discussing the equivalence of acceleration in a closed box and standing on Earth's surface.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of gravitational force and acceleration. There is no consensus on the clarity of the explanations provided, and several points remain contested, particularly regarding the relationship between force and acceleration.

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Some participants highlight limitations in the explanations, such as the need for precise definitions and the distinction between gravitational force and acceleration. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the concepts involved.

yuganes warman
Everything that has mass , posseses gravitational pull. We as humans do have mass, and thus posses gravitational pull too ? If so , do we posses tiny amount of gravitational pull ?
 
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Yes, that is true. Every object that has mass exerts a gravitation force.
You can quantify this using the formula,
g=(G.m1.m2)/r^2
g is the gravitational force
G is the gravitational constant = 6.7x10^-11
m1 and m2 are the masses of the objects you are considering
r is the distance between them
If you calculate the gravitational force (g) for everyday objects, the masses, distance are extremely small, not to forget the smaller constant. Hence, the resultant g is also very small and thus negligible. For objects with greater masses like that of the Earth, it is more prominent and the force is significant.
 
Thank you very much , now my curiosity is solved
 
Rithikha said:
g=(G.m1.m2)/r^2

If you calculate the gravitational force (g) for everyday objects, the masses, distance are extremely small, not to forget the smaller constant. Hence, the resultant g is also very small and thus negligible.
Reducing the distance increases g. And why would the constant be smaller? Doesn't the term "constant" give you a hint?

The only part of your explanation that is correct, are the small masses. Also note that "g" usually refers to gravitation acceleration, not the force.
 
A.T. said:
Reducing the distance increases g. And why would the constant be smaller? Doesn't the term "constant" give you a hint?

The only part of your explanation that is correct, are the small masses. Also note that "g" usually refers to gravitation acceleration, not the force.
I meant, the constant is smaller compared to the masses. Why do you think I mentioned the value if I didn't know that?
And the gravitational acceleration formula is different. This is the gravitational force formula.
Yes, but the whole point was to say that the force is negligible, which it is due to the small numerator.
 
Rithikha said:
I meant, the constant is smaller compared to the masses.
The constant has different units than mass. It doesn't even make sense to compare them.
Rithikha said:
This is the gravitational force formula.
Then you should use "F" for force, not "g".
 
yes gravitational force should be denoted with Fg
 
I thought that Force = mass * acceleration. So if something has very little mass and is accelerating towards an object the size of Earth at 9.8 meters per second2 then wouldn't you be able to say that the force acting on the much smaller object is = to acceleration?
 
quincy harman said:
I thought that Force = mass * acceleration. So if something has very little mass and is accelerating towards an object the size of Earth at 9.8 meters per second2 then wouldn't you be able to say that the force acting on the much smaller object is = to acceleration?
It's not clear how you can say "the force acting on the much smaller object is = to acceleration" when you also say "Force = mass * acceleration". :rolleyes:
 
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SteamKing said:
It's not clear how you can say "the force acting on the much smaller object is = to acceleration" when you also say "Force = mass * acceleration". :rolleyes:
You're right it makes no sense bahaha. Just thought about it.
 
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quincy harman said:
I thought that Force = mass * acceleration. So if something has very little mass and is accelerating towards an object the size of Earth at 9.8 meters per second2 then wouldn't you be able to say that the force acting on the much smaller object is = to acceleration?
F= ma and, for gravitational force, F= GmM/r^2 where "m" and "M" are the masses of the two objects. If we take m to be the "little mass" and M to be the "larger mass" then, for the smaller mass, ma= GmM/r^2 so a= GM/r^2. For the larger mass, Ma= GmM/r^2 so a= Gm/r^2. That tells us, first, that all objects, attracted by the earth, accelerate toward the Earth with the same acceleration, GM/r^2. At the same time, the Earth is accelerating toward the object with acceleration Gm/r^2 which is, of course, far smaller than GM/r^2.

However, force is NEVER "equal to acceleration". They are different kinds of "things" with different units so never "equal". (For mass, say, 1 kg, the acceleration and force, in the MKS system, will have the same numerical value but still are not "equal". "2 meters per second" is NOT the same as "2 kilogram meters per second".)
 
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HallsofIvy said:
F= ma and, for gravitational force, F= GmM/r^2 where "m" and "M" are the masses of the two objects. If we take m to be the "little mass" and M to be the "larger mass" then, for the smaller mass, ma= GmM/r^2 so a= GM/r^2. For the larger mass, Ma= GmM/r^2 so a= Gm/r^2. That tells us, first, that all objects, attracted by the earth, accelerate toward the Earth with the same acceleration, GM/r^2. At the same time, the Earth is accelerating toward the object with acceleration Gm/r^2 which is, of course, far smaller than GM/r^2.

However, force is NEVER "equal to acceleration". They are different kinds of "things" with different units so never "equal". (For mass, say, 1 kg, the acceleration and force, in the MKS system, will have the same numerical value but still are not "equal". "2 meters per second" is NOT the same as "2 kilogram meters per second".)
What about Einsteins thought experiment in which he said that if you're in a closed box and accelerating at 9.8 meters per second per second in space that you would not know the difference from standing on Earths surface?
 
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quincy harman said:
What about Einsteins thought experiment in which he said that if you're in a closed box and accelerating at 9.8 meters per second per second in space that you would not know the difference from standing on Earths surface?
You would observe the same forces and accelerations in both cases. That doesn't make force equal to acceleration
 
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