Understanding Holder's Inequality: A Key Step in Proving Minkowski's Inequality

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The discussion revolves around the proof of Minkowski's inequality, specifically focusing on the application and understanding of Hölder's inequality. Participants explore the steps involved in deriving Hölder's inequality and its implications for normalized vectors, as well as the transition from a specific case to the general form.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in progressing through the proof of Minkowski's inequality, particularly at a step involving Hölder's inequality.
  • Another participant clarifies that the inequality holds for all vectors, not just normalized ones, and suggests a method for simplifying the sum to a constant.
  • The second participant proposes that by normalizing the vectors, the inequality simplifies to a form that can be generalized back to arbitrary vectors.
  • A later reply acknowledges the usefulness of the strategy discussed and expresses appreciation for the insight.
  • Additionally, it is noted that the same strategy can be applied to prove the integral form of the inequality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the validity of the steps discussed regarding Hölder's inequality and its application to Minkowski's inequality, but the initial participant's struggle indicates that there may still be some uncertainty or lack of clarity in fully grasping the proof process.

Contextual Notes

There is an implicit assumption that the normalization of vectors is a valid step in the proof, but the discussion does not fully resolve the complexities involved in transitioning from specific cases to the general form of the inequalities.

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I am actually attempting the proof for Minkowski's inequality, but have not gotten that far yet. I am stuck on a step in Holder's inequality, and I have a feeling it's something very simple that I am just overlooking...

I have easily been able to show ab \leq \frac{a^p}{p} + \frac{b^q}{q}

And if a,b are normalized vectors then:

\sum_k a_k b_k \leq \frac{1}{p}\sum_k {a_k}^p + \frac{1}{q}\sum_k {b_k}^q

And I am aware that through normalizing the vectors, I am supposed to be able to deduce the formula for Holder's inequality:

\sum_k a_k b_k \leq (\sum_k {a_k}^p)^{\frac{1}{p}}(\sum_k {b_k}^q)^{\frac{1}{q}}

But I just cannot figure this step out for some reason! Please give me at least a hint... :confused:

Thank you in advance!
 
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This inequality:
\sum_k a_k b_k \leq \frac{1}{p}\sum_k {a_k}^p + \frac{1}{q}\sum_k {b_k}^q

holds for all vectors, not just those that are normalized.

Whenever there are several things being added and you want to turn them into a single term, a good strategy is to do whatever it takes to turn the sum into a constant 1. Then after things simplify, bring back in the complexity that you threw away, but now the sum is gone. This happens all the time, and I think there is a deep meaning why it works so much, but I don't know what it is.

In this case, if you restrict ||a||p = 1, and ||b||q = 1, then the equation becomes

\sum_k a_k b_k \leq 1

for a and b normalized like so. Now bring back the complexity for arbitrary vectors x and y,

\sum_k \frac{x_k}{||x||_p} \frac{y_k}{||y||_q} \leq 1

\sum_k x_k y_k \leq ||x||_p ||y||_q
 
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Oh wow, okay. That's pretty nice and slick. Thank you!
 
Also note that the same exact strategy will prove the integral form.
 

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