Understanding Image & Pre-Image: An Example

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of image and pre-image in the context of a specific function, ##f:\mathbb{R} →\mathbb{R}## defined by ##f(x)=x^{2}##. Participants explore examples involving the pre-image of certain sets and clarify definitions and conditions related to these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that for the set ##D = [-1,2]##, the pre-image ##f^{-1}(D)## is ##[-\sqrt{2},\sqrt{2}]##, but this is challenged by others.
  • Another participant asserts that the correct pre-image is ##[-\sqrt{2}, \sqrt{2}]##, emphasizing that the inverse image is well-defined regardless of whether ##D## is fully contained in the range of ##f##.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the pre-image should be ##[0, \sqrt{2}]##, prompting a request for clarification on why negative values are excluded.
  • Participants acknowledge mistakes in their previous statements and correct their claims regarding the pre-image.
  • When considering the set ##F = [-4,-1]##, it is suggested that the pre-image ##f^{-1}(F)## would be empty (##∅##), unless the domain is extended to complex numbers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement regarding the correct pre-image for the set ##D = [-1,2]##, with multiple competing views presented. The discussion about the pre-image for the set ##F = [-4,-1]## appears to be more straightforward, with a consensus on it being empty unless the domain is altered.

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Participants express uncertainty about the implications of changing the domain and the definitions of image and pre-image, which may affect their conclusions.

mikeyBoy83
I'm trying to understand image and pre image better but I am having a hard time finding good examples.

So here is one I did come across, let's say ##f:\mathbb{R} →\mathbb{R}## defined by ##f(x)=x^{2}##. Suppose also that ##D = [-1,2]## where ##D\subset \mathbb{R}##. If I'm looking for ##f^{-1}(D)## then I can only use ##D\setminus [-1,0)## in which case ##f^{-1}(D)=[-\sqrt{2},\sqrt{2}]##correct?
 
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Not correct. Rather, ##f^{-1}(D) = [-\sqrt{2}, \sqrt{2}]##, since ##f^{-1}(D)## is defined as the set of all ##x## such that ##f(x) \in D##. Also you can use ##D## and the inverse image is always well defined, even if ##D## is not completely contained in the range ##f(\mathbb{R})##. In fact, ##f^{-1}((-\infty, 2]) = [-\sqrt{2}, \sqrt{2}]##.

P.S. You really want double hashtags to begin and end a latex formula, rather than code
 
Lucas SV said:
Not correct. Rather, ##f^{-1}(D) = [0, \sqrt{2}]##, since ##f^{-1}(D)## is defined as the set of all ##x## such that ##f(x) \in D##.

P.S. You really want double hashtags to begin and end a latex formula, rather than code

Can you explain why ## f^{-1}(D) = [0,\sqrt{2}]## ? Why would we not include ##[-\sqrt{2},0]## in our pre-image? Explain please.
 
mikeyBoy83 said:
Can you explain why ## f^{-1}(D) = [0,\sqrt{2}]## ? Why would we not include ##[-\sqrt{2},0]## in our pre-image? Explain please.
My bad, I've made a mistake. Corrected it.
 
Lucas SV said:
My bad, I've made a mistake. Corrected it.

Okay, so what if we wanted to find ##f^{-1}(F)## using the same function with ##F=[-4,-1]##, in that case we would have ##∅##.
 
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mikeyBoy83 said:
Okay, so what if we wanted to find ##f^{-1}(F)## using the same function with ##F=[-4,-1]##, in that case we would have ##∅##.
Yes. Unless of course you decide to change domains to complex numbers.
 
Lucas SV said:
Yes. Unless of course you decide to change domains to complex numbers.

Of course :)
 

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