Understanding Limit Points: Definition & Meaning

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The discussion revolves around the concept of limit points in the context of sequences and sets, exploring definitions, examples, and interpretations. Participants examine the implications of the definition provided in a textbook and its application to sequences, as well as the relationship between limit points and the properties of sets.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant interprets the definition of a limit point as requiring that every open interval containing the point must also contain infinitely many points from the sequence, though not necessarily every point.
  • Another participant agrees and provides an example of the sequence a_n = 1/n, noting that 0 is a limit point despite not being in the sequence, as any interval around 0 contains infinitely many points from the sequence.
  • A different participant asserts that limit points are not inherently tied to sequences, suggesting they define a property of certain sets instead.
  • Another participant counters that limit points can apply to sequences as well, emphasizing that the definition does not depend on the order of the sequence.
  • One participant critiques a previous rephrasing of the definition, clarifying that the definition involves infinitely many indices n for which x(n) belongs to the set, rather than infinitely many distinct points.
  • This participant also notes that in the case of a constant sequence, the definition can still hold, but emphasizes the need for precision in language regarding limit points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between limit points and sequences, with some arguing for a connection while others assert a broader applicability to sets. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise nature and implications of limit points.

Contextual Notes

There are nuances in the definitions and interpretations of limit points that depend on the context of sequences versus sets. Some participants highlight the importance of precision in language and definitions, particularly regarding the distinction between indices and points.

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In my textbook, it gives the following definition of a limit point:

"A point x is a limit point of a sequence x_1,x_2,... if every open interval containing x also contains points x_n for infinitely many n"

I am taking this to mean that every open interval containing x must also contain an infinite amount of other points from the sequence (though this doesn't necessarily mean that it contains every point of the sequence).

Is my understanding correct?
 
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Yes. For example, 0 is a limit point of the sequence [itex]a_n = 1/n[/itex].
Although 0 is not itself in the sequence, any interval [itex](-\epsilon, \epsilon)[/itex] contains infinitely many points from the sequence. For example, for [itex]\epsilon = \frac{1}{\sqrt{10}}[/itex], the interval does not contain a1, a2 and a3, but it does contain all other elements.

Note that the sequence needn't convert, if you take
[tex]a_{2n} = 1/n, a_{2n + 1} = 1[/tex]
then 0 is still a limit point (and so is 1).

If I'm not mistaken, x is a limit point of a sequence S iff S has a subsequence S' which converges (Cauchy, and all) to S'. So basically, if part of the sequence has x as a limit. It's been a while since I did analysis though :smile:
 
technically, limit pts have nothing to do with sequences
i personally think limit pt defines some special property of cercain set
 
davyjones said:
technically, limit pts have nothing to do with sequences
i personally think limit pt defines some special property of cercain set

Limit points work just as well with sequences as with sets. Since the definition of a limit point does not refer at all to the order of the sequence, it's just a special case where the set is countably infinite.
 
your way of rephrasing the definition lost slightly some precision. The definition said that there are infiniutely many INDICES n for which x(n) belongs to the set, not infinitely many POINTS.

so the sequence could have repetitions. e.g. if the sequence is the constant sequence with all x(n) = x, then the definition is satisfied as you gave it for x to be a limit point.In an everyday space like the real numbers, and your language "interval" implies that is your space, it will be true that if every open interval about x contains an x(n) for even one n which is different from x, then also every interval contains an infinite number of them.

so you could say also that if every interval around x contains even one x(n) not equal to x, then x is a limit point. however if you want the constant sequence above to have x as a limit point, then you need the version you originally gave.
 

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