Understanding Magnetars and Neutron Stars

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature and structure of magnetars and neutron stars, exploring their composition, the existence of currents, and the dynamics within these celestial bodies. Participants engage in clarifying concepts, referencing sources, and expressing confusion about the information presented in various materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how magnetars can exist if all electrons are "used up" in forming neutrons, questioning the ability to conduct current.
  • Another participant asserts that neutron stars are not homogenous and contain more than just neutrons, suggesting a complex structure.
  • Several participants reference Wikipedia to support their claims about neutron stars being composed almost entirely of neutrons, but others challenge this characterization, emphasizing the presence of nuclei and free electrons in the crust and core.
  • One participant describes the structure of neutron stars, detailing the outer and inner crusts, the core, and the dynamic environment that includes various nuclear reactions and charge carriers.
  • Multiple participants request references for more accurate and detailed descriptions of neutron stars and magnetars, sharing links to academic papers and books that discuss these topics.
  • There is mention of the dynamic nature of neutron stars, with ongoing nuclear reactions and the potential for weak force-driven reactions affecting their components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; instead, there are competing views regarding the composition and structure of neutron stars, with some asserting the presence of electrons and protons while others maintain a focus on neutrons. The discussion remains unresolved with ongoing requests for clarification and references.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the sources referenced, particularly Wikipedia, and express a desire for more detailed and accurate descriptions of neutron stars and magnetars. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of neutron star structure and the implications for understanding magnetars.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying astrophysics, particularly in the areas of neutron stars and magnetars, as well as individuals seeking clarification on the complexities of stellar structures and their dynamics.

serp777
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I'm confused how a magnetar could exist, given that the point of a neutron star is that electrons are compressed enough to combine with protons, thus leading to neutrons. If all the electrons were "used up" how could there be any currents, especially since neutrons can't conduct current anyways? Thanks for any answers
 
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I quote from wikipedia source you provided

"Such stars are composed almost entirely of neutrons, which are subatomic particles without net electrical charge and with slightly larger mass than protons."
 
Read the "Structure" section in that same link.
 
serp777 said:
I quote from wikipedia source you provided

"Such stars are composed almost entirely of neutrons, which are subatomic particles without net electrical charge and with slightly larger mass than protons."

I don't much care for that Wiki page. That's just plain wrong. Neutron star crusts have plenty of nuclei and free electrons, and neutron star cores are a few percent protons and electrons. The cores are so dense that the density of charge carriers is extremely high, possibly the highest in the Universe.
 
ImaLooser said:
I don't much care for that Wiki page. That's just plain wrong. Neutron star crusts have plenty of nuclei and free electrons, and neutron star cores are a few percent protons and electrons. The cores are so dense that the density of charge carriers is extremely high, possibly the highest in the Universe.

I sure would like some reference(s) to better, more detailed, and more accurate descriptions of neutron stars. Would you please post some? Thank you.
 
Bobbywhy said:
I sure would like some reference(s) to better, more detailed, and more accurate descriptions of neutron stars. Would you please post some? Thank you.

How detailed do you want? This book looks very good. It even has extracts posted online that covers the Outer Envelope and Envelopes with Strong Magnetic Fields.
 
Bobbywhy said:
I sure would like some reference(s) to better, more detailed, and more accurate descriptions of neutron stars. Would you please post some? Thank you.

There's a magnatar page by the guy who originally proposed they exist. http://solomon.as.utexas.edu/~duncan/magnetar.html

Now there's a real expert.
 
Neutron stars structure is highly composite, in fact for the core of pulsars like magnetars is yet more or less unknown.

Neutron stars have an atmosphere of almost electron and plasma gas (sometimes liquid), that even if few cm thick can generate great magnetic field, having plasmon resonances and so on and a rich spectrum... So here you have electrons and finite nuclei (with protons and neutrons)

Then the crust of the neutron star can be divided into outer and inner crust. The outer crust is roughly half a km wide ad made mostly of a lattice of completely polarized finite nuclei. Usally (but not always) neutron rich. But you have again the same order of magnitude of protons and neutrons.

The inner crust runs deep for a couple of km and it is made mostly by a sea of neutrons but have a lot of proton "impurities" that condense to form bulges of protons. The ratio is about 50 condensed protons to 1000 of neutrons in most models.

Then you have the core, divided in
outer core, 4/5 km deep, made by neutrons, but again not so few protons created by the neutrino emission for cooling of the stars toghether with muons
and the misterious inner core, also approx 5 km deep, with a still unknown composition, but always with some charged material in the center: in most models toghether with p and n exotic baryons such as hyperions, but also condensed pions, kaons or even free quarks.

Above all, take into account that the neutron star is a very dynamic environment, like in a star there are a lot of nuclear reactions going on, mostly because it have to find ingenuous way to cool itself, but in such a system also weak force-based reactions are feasible and so the components, and even their charge (due to the weak-force driven reactions), change dynamically.
 
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Raghnar said:
Above all, take into account that the neutron star is a very dynamic environment, like in a star there are a lot of nuclear reactions going on, mostly because it have to find ingenuous way to cool itself, but in such a system also weak force-based reactions are feasible and so the components, and even their charge (due to the weak-force driven reactions), change dynamically.

Where might I learn more about this?
 

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