Understanding Proof by Contradiction in Logic and Mathematics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of proof by contradiction in logic and mathematics, exploring its relationship with proof by contrapositive. Participants examine the mechanisms and nuances of these proof techniques, including their similarities and differences.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a method for proof by contradiction, stating that to prove A implies B, one can show that assuming 'A and not B' leads to a false statement C.
  • Another participant agrees and notes that the method described is a special case of proof by contradiction, suggesting a broader approach where one assumes A is false to derive a contradiction.
  • A third participant discusses the relationship between proofs by contradiction and contrapositive, explaining that both methods can be used interchangeably due to their equivalence.
  • One participant highlights the differences in approach between proof by contrapositive and proof by contradiction, emphasizing the distinct logical flows of each method and providing examples to illustrate their points.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential confusion between the two methods, with one participant expressing difficulty in keeping track of which proof technique they are employing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic principles of proof by contradiction and its relationship with proof by contrapositive. However, there are nuanced differences in their interpretations and approaches, indicating that the discussion remains somewhat contested.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and clarity regarding the distinctions between proof by contradiction and proof by contrapositive, suggesting that further exploration of these concepts may be necessary.

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Is this how proof by condraction works?
Say we want to prove A-> B.
We prove by showing the statement 'A and not B' implies some statement C which is false (since it contradicts a known fact). Therefore, anything which implies C must itself be false, so 'A and not B' is false. I.e. A implies B.
 
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Yes.
Note that this is a special case of a proof by contradiction.
Not all proofs by contradiction will fit the pattern you suggest.

More generally, suppose we want to prove A, then assume A to be false, and show that this leads to a contradiction.
 
I agree. Here is what I posted on the other forum concerning proofs by contradiction and contrapositive.

Proofs by contrapositive and by contradiction are closely related. To remind, a contrapositive of P -> Q is ~Q -> ~P. A statement and its contrapositive are equivalent, so instead of one it is possible to prove the other. In a proof by contradiction, instead of proving Q one shows ~Q -> F where F is falsehood; then Q follows.

Formally, proving P -> Q in this way involves both proof by contrapositive and proof by contradiction. Namely, one assumes P and then proves Q by contradiction. For this, one assumes ~Q and from here derives ~P (this is the contrapositive of P -> Q). Combining ~P with the first assumption P gives falsehood, so Q follows.

In practice, the names "proof by contrapositive" and "proof by contradiction" are often used interchangeably.
 
the difference between the two i see is this:

proof by contrapositive uses:

~A v B = B v ~A = ~(~B) v ~A (switching the "order" of A and B).

proof by contradiction uses:

~A v B = ~(~(~A v B)) = ~(A & ~B) (changing the "or-ness" of implication, to "and-ness").

this is most evident in "the flow" of the proofs: proofs by contrapositive seem "backwards" (we start where we don't want to be, and end where we aren't, so it's good), whereas proofs by contradiction go "the right way" from the wrong starting place.

for example, if i wish to show that every multiple of 4 is even by proving the contrapositive, i show that no odd number is divisible by 4.

if i wish to prove that every multiple of 4 is even by contradiction, i assume there is some 4k that is odd, and derive the contradiction that 1 is even. there is often some "blurring" of these distinctions, and a formal codification of either proof may wind up looking much the same (as it should!).

loosely speaking it's the (subtle) difference between:

for all...(somethings, some statement is true)

there does not exist...(a counter-example)

and when I'm really confused, i often forget which one I'm in the middle of. :(
 

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