Understanding Set Theory: Explanation and Examples for Beginners

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The discussion revolves around understanding the formula for the probability of the union of three sets, specifically addressing the inclusion of the term P(A ∩ B ∩ C) in the equation. Participants explore the reasoning behind this aspect of set theory, with a focus on probability calculations and Venn diagrams.

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  • One participant questions why P(A ∩ B ∩ C) is added rather than subtracted, suggesting that it seems counterintuitive given the treatment of other intersection terms.
  • Another participant proposes that writing each set as the union of mutually exclusive sets may clarify how probabilities cancel out, although this approach is not universally understood.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need to account for the joint probability of the intersections, arguing that without adding P(A ∩ B ∩ C), the calculation would overlook this probability entirely.
  • One participant suggests using a specific example involving the cardinality of sets to analyze the situation instead of focusing solely on probability, indicating a different approach to understanding the concept.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the inclusion of P(A ∩ B ∩ C) in the probability formula. Some agree on the need for clarification, while others present alternative methods of explanation, leading to a lack of consensus on the best approach to convey the concept.

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Some participants express difficulty in grasping the algebraic reasoning behind the formula, indicating that the discussion may be limited by varying levels of familiarity with set theory and probability concepts.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals seeking to understand the principles of set theory and probability, particularly those who are beginners or looking for clarification on the inclusion-exclusion principle.

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Hi guys,
I someone help me to set my logic straight and help me understand the following situation.

For three I was given the following definition:
P(A ∪ B ∪ C) = P(A) + P(B) + P(C) − P(A ∩ B) − P(A ∩ C) − P(B ∩ C) + P(A ∩ B ∩ C).

I don't understand why we need to + P(A ∩ B ∩ C), instead of - P(A ∩ B ∩ C).
My reasoning are as follows:

1) I understand from other definitions that we − P(A ∩ B), − P(A ∩ C), − P(B ∩ C) from the union equation, because we would added the probability of A, B, and C twice if we don't do so.

2) Thus for P(A ∩ B ∩ C), it should follows the reason from 1), if we +P(A ∩ B ∩ C) instead of -P(A ∩ B ∩ C). Then wouldn't we added the probability of A,B, and C twice?

I tried to draw the Venn Diagram, to see if I can make some sense out of it. But that didn't help, as I don't get it at all and see any relationship at all. So please help.
 
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Write out each set X as the union of mutually exclusive sets. Then P(X) becomes the sum of the probabilities of these sets. If you write the right hand side of the rule this way, you can see what cancels out what.

For example, [itex]A = (A \cap B \cap C) \cup (A \cap B \cap C^c) \cup A (A \cap B^c \cap C) \cup (A \cap B^c \cap C^c)[/itex]

This might be easier to write if you use the product notation for intersections. [itex]ABC = A \cap B \cap C[/itex]

[itex]P(A) = P(ABC) + P(ABC^c) + P(AB^cC) + P(AB^cC^c)[/itex]

[itex]AB = ABC^c \cup ABC[/itex]

[itex]P(AB) = P(ABC^c) + P(ABC)[/itex]
 
Stephen Tashi said:
Write out each set X as the union of mutually exclusive sets. Then P(X) becomes the sum of the probabilities of these sets. If you write the right hand side of the rule this way, you can see what cancels out what.

For example, [itex]A = (A \cap B \cap C) \cup (A \cap B \cap C^c) \cup A (A \cap B^c \cap C) \cup (A \cap B^c \cap C^c)[/itex]

This might be easier to write if you use the product notation for intersections. [itex]ABC = A \cap B \cap C[/itex]

[itex]P(A) = P(ABC) + P(ABC^c) + P(AB^cC) + P(AB^cC^c)[/itex]

[itex]AB = ABC^c \cup ABC[/itex]

[itex]P(AB) = P(ABC^c) + P(ABC)[/itex]

Hi Stephen,
I don't quite follow you, mind to explain it in a more layman terms? thanks!

p.s. just to make sure, P stands for probability in the formula I type in the beginning
P(A ∪ B ∪ C) = P(A) + P(B) + P(C) − P(A ∩ B) − P(A ∩ C) − P(B ∩ C) + P(A ∩ B ∩ C).
 
I don't know what the explanation would be in layman's terms. Do the algebra and then explain the algebra to yourself verbally. (Laymen can't understand probability anyway!)

If you can't do the algebra, analyze a specific example involving the cardinality of sets instead of probability. A = {1,2,3,4,5,6}, B = {4,5,6,7}, C= {3,4,5,8}. What's the cardinality of [itex]A \cup B \cup C[/itex]? Is it 6 + 4 + 4 -3 -3 -2? Or is it 6 +4 + 4 -3 -3 -2 + 2 ?
 
Philip Wong said:
Hi guys,
I someone help me to set my logic straight and help me understand the following situation.

For three I was given the following definition:
P(A ∪ B ∪ C) = P(A) + P(B) + P(C) − P(A ∩ B) − P(A ∩ C) − P(B ∩ C) + P(A ∩ B ∩ C).

I don't understand why we need to + P(A ∩ B ∩ C), instead of - P(A ∩ B ∩ C).
Here's an intuitive way to see understand this. Calculating P(A) + P(B) + P(C) accounts for that intersection three times. Calculating P(A ∩ B) + P(A ∩ C) + P(B ∩ C) also accounts for that intersection three times. Thus P(A) + P(B) + P(C) − P(A ∩ B) − P(A ∩ C) − P(B ∩ C) doesn't account for it at all (3-3=0). You need to add that joint probability back in.

Or you could look at it from the perspective of disjoint sets. Split A into Ad, the part of A that is neither a member of B nor C; (A∩B)d the part of A that also is in B but not in C; and A∩B∩C. Do the same for sets B and C. The union A∪B∪C can be split into seven disjoint parts Ad, Bd, Cd, (A∩B)d, (A∩C)d, (B∩C)d, and A∩B∩C. Since these subsets are disjoint, the probability of the union is the sum of the probabilities of these subsets:

P(A∪B∪C) = P(Ad) + P(Bd) + P(Cd) + P((A∩B)d) + P((A∩C)d) + P((B∩C)d) + P(A∩B∩C)

You can do the same for P(A), P(B), P(C), P(A∩B), P(A∩C), and P(B∩C). For example,

P(A) = P(Ad) + P((A∩B)d) + P((A∩C)d) + P(A∩B∩C)
P(A∩B) = P((A∩B)d) + P(A∩B∩C)

With these, you will find that

P(A∪B∪C) = P(A) + P(B) + P(C) − P(A∩B) − P(A∩C) − P(B∩C) + P(A∩B∩C)

is an identity.
 

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