Understanding the Definition of Boundary in Set Theory for Topological Spaces

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The discussion revolves around the definition of the boundary of a subset A within a topological space X, specifically addressing the confusion regarding the notation and concepts of closure and complement in set theory and topology.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a definition of the boundary of a subset A as ##\partial A = \bar A \cap \bar B##, where ##B = X - A##, and expresses confusion regarding the application of this definition to the interval (a,b) on the real axis.
  • Another participant questions the interpretation of ##\overline{A}##, suggesting that it is not the complement of A.
  • There is a discussion about the meaning of ##\bar A##, with one participant asserting that it represents all elements not in A, while another clarifies that it refers to the closure of A.
  • Participants discuss the notation for complements in topology, with preferences expressed for different notational conventions, such as using ##\mathbb{R}\backslash A## instead of ##A^C##.
  • One participant indicates that the clarification about the closure of A makes sense to them after the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the notation and definitions used in topology, particularly regarding the closure and complement of sets. There is some agreement on the meaning of closure, but confusion remains about the notation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the understanding of set complements and closures, as well as the notation used, which may depend on personal preferences and conventions in mathematical writing.

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Hello! This is more of a set theory question I guess, but I have that the definition of the boundary of a subset A of a topological space X is ##\partial A = \bar A \cap \bar B##, with ##B = X - A## (I didn't manage to put the bar over X-A, this is why I used B). I think I have a wrong understanding of the complement of a set because if I take (a,b) on the real axis, the boundary should be {a,b}, but ##\bar A = (- \infty, a] \cup [b, \infty)## while ##B=R-A = (- \infty, a] \cup [b, \infty)## so ##\bar B = (a,b)## and ##\bar A \cap \bar B = \emptyset##. So where exactly I got it wrong? Thank you
 
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What was ##\overline{A} = \overline{(a,b)}## again? It's not the complement though!
 
fresh_42 said:
What was ##\overline{A} = \overline{(a,b)}## again? It's not the complement though!
Doesn't ##\bar A## means all elements not in A? Which in this case is ##(-\infty,a] \cup [b,\infty)##?
 
No, here it means the closure of ##A##. That is the reason, why the bar isn't a good choice for complements in topology. Some write ##\mathbb{R}-A= A^C## which I find ugly. I prefer to write complements as ##\mathbb{R}-A= \mathbb{R}\backslash A##. In any case, it's a matter of taste, but ##\overline{A}## as the topological closure of ##A## is pretty usual.
 
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fresh_42 said:
No, here it means the closure of ##A##. That is the reason, why the bar isn't a good choice for complements in topology. Some write ##\mathbb{R}-A= A^C## which I find ugly. I prefer to write complements as ##\mathbb{R}-A= \mathbb{R}\backslash A##. In any case, it's a matter of taste, but ##\overline{A}## as the topological closure of ##A## is pretty usual.
Oh ok makes sense now. Thank you!
 

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