Understanding the Vis-Viva Equation for Elliptical Orbits

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The discussion centers on the Vis-Viva equation as it pertains to calculating the maximum radius of an elliptical orbit. The equation presented is \(\frac{mv_{max}^2}{2}-\frac{A}{R_{min}}=\frac{(mv_{max}R_{min})^2}{2mR_{max}^2}-\frac{A}{R_{max}}\). The confusion arises from the relationship between kinetic energy (E_k), potential energy (U), and effective potential energy (U_{eff}), specifically why the equation is structured as E_k + U = U_{eff} instead of E_k + U_{eff}(R_{min}) = U_{eff}(R_{max}). The solution was ultimately clarified during a reflective moment at a social gathering.

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im a private teacher now for first year students... and today my student asked me a question i didnt know the answer to... so i said i'll look it up, but I am going out with friends :-p

so if you could help and save me the time id really appreciate it.

the problem is finding the maximum radius of an eliptic route.
we know the tangential speed of the body at the point of the minimal radius.
so according to the advertised solution for the problem, the equation should be:
[tex]\frac{mv_{max}^2}{2}-\frac{A}{R_{min}}=\frac{(mv_{max}R_{min})^2}{2mR_{max}^2}-\frac{A}{R_{max}}[/tex]
but we couldn't understand why it was [tex]E_k+U=U_{eff}[/tex] and not [tex]E_k+U_{eff}(R_{min})=U_{eff}(R_{max})[/tex]
 
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nm, found my answer... while thinking at the pub :biggrin:
 

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