Unification of Forces: Heating Up Spacetime & 4 Forces

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The discussion centers on the unification of the four fundamental forces as the universe heats up, particularly during the early universe's high-energy conditions. Participants explore whether unification means the forces become indistinguishable or merely reach parity in strength. The concept of effective interactions, such as the electroweak interaction, is highlighted, emphasizing that at high energies, forces can appear indistinguishable. Key resources mentioned include the article "The Algebra of Grand Unified Theories" and books by John Baez and David Griffiths.

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  • Understanding of fundamental forces in physics
  • Familiarity with high-energy particle physics
  • Knowledge of effective interactions and their implications
  • Basic concepts of spacetime and thermodynamics
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  • Read "The Algebra of Grand Unified Theories" for a deeper understanding of force unification
  • Study "Particle Physics of the Early Universe" by John Baez for insights into early universe conditions
  • Explore the concept of effective interactions in particle physics
  • Investigate the implications of high-energy physics on the unification of forces
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Physicists, students of particle physics, and anyone interested in the fundamental interactions of the universe and their unification under extreme conditions.

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Why is it that the farther we go back in time where there was a higher and higher average temperature, the 4 fundamental forces begin to unify one by one? What is it about "heating up spacetime" that causes the forces to unify? And by unify, do we mean that they become indistinguishable from one another, or do we mean that they remain distinct, only the strengths of the forces begin to reach parity?
 
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They become more fundamental interactions, which look different from the usual interactions.

I would not say "interaction x and y get unified to z" - I think the other direction is more natural. There is an interaction (like the electroweak interaction), which can be described with two or more effective interactions for low energies.
As an example: the electromagnetic interaction, if all velocities are slow, can be approximated with electrostatics and magnetostatics.
 
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Why is it that the farther we go back in time where there was a higher and higher average temperature, the 4 fundamental forces begin to unify one by one? What is it about "heating up spacetime" that causes the forces to unify? And by unify, do we mean that they become indistinguishable from one another, or do we mean that they remain distinct, only the strengths of the forces begin to reach parity?

I can't recall which source it was on early universe particle physics, but I recall the statement "at high energies they become indistinquishable from one another"

anyways here is a resource article you may find handy

http://arxiv.org/pdf/0904.1556v2.pdf "The Algebra of Grand Unified Theories"

There is a couple of books I would recommend as well.

Particle Physics of the Early Universe by John Baez and John Huerta.

INTRODUCTION TO ELEMENTARY PARTICLES by David Griffiths
 

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