Universe 93 billion light years?

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The discussion revolves around the apparent discrepancy between the age of the universe, estimated at 13.7 billion years, and the observed diameter of the observable universe, which is stated to be about 93 billion light-years. Participants explore the implications of cosmic expansion and the nature of spacetime in relation to these measurements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the diameter of the universe can be 93 billion light-years if it is only 13.7 billion years old, suggesting a calculation based on particle expansion would yield approximately 28 billion light-years.
  • Another participant clarifies that the commonly held belief about the radius of the observable universe being limited to 13.7 billion light-years is a misconception, emphasizing that spacetime is curved on cosmological scales, which affects distance measurements.
  • A participant reiterates the diameter of the visible universe as approximately 28 billion parsecs (93 billion light-years) and requests an explanation of the calculation leading to this figure.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB), explaining that the light we observe today was emitted from matter that was much closer in the past, and that the universe's rapid expansion during that time means the light has traveled a longer effective distance to reach us now.
  • It is noted that the universe expanded by a factor of about 1100 times during the time the light from the CMB was traveling, resulting in the current distance of the emitting matter being around 48 billion light-years away.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the universe's age and the measurements of its diameter, indicating that multiple competing interpretations of the data exist. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the calculations and conceptual understanding of these distances.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of cosmological measurements and the assumptions involved in interpreting the expansion of the universe and the nature of light travel over vast distances.

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(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe)

If the universe is 13.7 billion years old, how is the diameter 93 billion light years? Light travels 1 light year for every year. Then if two particles were expanding outwards to form the size of the diameter, it would be approximately 28 billion light years. Can somebody explain this confusion?
 
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From the same article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe#Misconceptions

13.7 billion light-years. The age of the Universe is about 13.7 billion years. While it is commonly understood that nothing travels faster than light, it is a common misconception that the radius of the observable universe must therefore amount to only 13.7 billion light-years. This reasoning makes sense only if the Universe is the flat spacetime of special relativity; in the real Universe, spacetime is highly curved on cosmological scales, which means that 3-space (which is roughly flat) is expanding, as evidenced by Hubble's law. Distances obtained as the speed of light multiplied by a cosmological time interval have no direct physical significance
 
filegraphy said:
The visible universe is thus a sphere with a diameter of about 28 billion parsecs (about 93 billion light-years). (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe#Misconceptions)

Can you explain the calculation to this diameter.
Basically, the CMB which we see today was emitted from matter that was, at the time, about 44 million light years away. At the time, however, the universe was expanding very rapidly, so that the light has taken a full 13.7 billion light years to get here. In fact, for much of this time it wasn't even approaching us, but the rapid expansion left photons traveling in our direction even more space to travel than they crossed. Eventually the expansion rate slowed enough that the photon started to make headway, and finally arrive after 13.7 billion years.

In that time, our universe expanded by a factor of about 1100 times. This means that the matter which emitted the CMB we see today at 44 million light years away is currently around 48 billion light years away. But this distance has little to do with the path light traveled to get here.
 

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