Unknown_12's questions at Yahoo Answers regarding analytic geometry

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The discussion revolves around questions related to analytic geometry, specifically focusing on calculating angles in a triangle formed by given vertices and determining the value of a variable in a perpendicular line equation. Participants explore the use of tangent formulas and slopes in their calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving finding the interior angles of a triangle with specified vertices and expresses difficulty in reaching a total of 180 degrees.
  • Another participant calculates the slopes of the triangle's sides and derives the angles using inverse tangent functions, showing that the angles sum to π.
  • There is a discussion about the correct application of the tangent formula for finding angles, with one participant suggesting the angle-difference identity instead of the product of slopes.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the formulas provided by their teacher and whether they can achieve an exact 180 degrees using the tangent formula.
  • A later reply confirms the use of the tangent formula and provides calculations that approximate the angles to 180 degrees, noting the necessity of quadrant adjustments for angle C.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to calculate the angles or the appropriateness of the formulas used. There are multiple competing views regarding the tangent formulas and their application to achieve the desired angle sum.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the formulas and the conditions under which they apply, particularly in relation to achieving exact angle sums.

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Here are the questions:

Question on analytic geometry about slopes?


Find the interior angle of the triangle with vertices (2, -5), (6,2), (4,1)

It must 180 degrees when calculated but stuck on the solution.

The line through (-2, y) and (2, 10) is perpendicular to a line through (-3, -7) and (5, -5) find y.

The formula will be like y2-y1 / x2- x1

and formula for angle tan m2-m1/1+m1(m2)

solution of the answer is appreciated.

I have posted a link there to this thread so the OP can see my work.
 
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Hello unknown_12,

1.) Let's take a look at the triangle in the plane with the given vertices:

https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/1709._xfImport

The slope of line segment $a$ is:

$$m_a=\frac{2-1}{6-4}=\frac{1}{2}$$

The slope of line segment $b$ is:

$$m_b=\frac{1-(-5)}{4-2}=3$$

The slope of line segment $c$ is:

$$m_c=\frac{2-(-5)}{6-2}=\frac{7}{4}$$

Hence, angle $A$ is:

$$A=\tan^{-1}\left(m_b \right)-\tan^{-1}\left(m_c \right)=\tan^{-1}\left(3 \right)-\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{7}{4} \right)\approx0.197395559849881$$

Angle $B$ is:

$$B=\tan^{-1}\left(m_c \right)-\tan^{-1}\left(m_a \right)=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{7}{4} \right)-\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{1}{2} \right)\approx0.588002603547568$$

Angle $C$ is:

$$C=\pi-\left(\tan^{-1}\left(m_b \right)-\tan^{-1}\left(m_a \right) \right)=\pi+\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{1}{2} \right)-\tan^{-1}(3)=\frac{3\pi}{4}$$

As a check, we see that:

$$A+B+C=\pi$$

2.) The slope of the first line is:

$$m_1=\frac{10-y}{2-(-2)}=\frac{10-y}{4}$$

The slope of the second line is:

$$m_2=\frac{-5-(-7)}{5-(-3)}=\frac{1}{4}$$

When two lines are perpendicular, the product of their slopes is $-1$, as proven here:

http://mathhelpboards.com/math-notes-49/perpendicular-lines-product-their-slopes-2953.html

Hence, we must have:

$$\frac{10-y}{4}\cdot\frac{1}{4}=-1$$

$$10-y=-16$$

$$y=26$$
 

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Hello, I'm the one posted from yahoo answer; is that same from the tangent formula that I've posted?

Because when I used the formula, it couldn't provide a 180 degrees.
 
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jamescv31 said:
Hello, I'm the one posted from yahoo answer; is that same from the tangent formula that I've posted?

Hello and welcome to MHB, jamescv31! :D

I take it you are supposed to use the angle-difference identity for the tangent function instead of the product of the slopes.

$$\theta_1-\theta_2=\frac{\pi}{2}$$

Taking the tangent of both sides, we get:

$$\tan\left(\theta_1-\theta_2 \right)=\tan\left(\frac{\pi}{2} \right)$$

$$\frac{m_1-m_2}{1+m_1m_2}=\tan\left(\frac{\pi}{2} \right)$$

Since $$\tan\left(\frac{\pi}{2} \right)$$ is undefined, we see that we require:

$$1+m_1m_2=0$$

$$m_1m_2=-1$$
 
jamescv31 said:
...Because when I used the formula, it couldn't provide a 180 degrees.

This was added while I was composing my reply. I assume this refers to the first problem. You want the sum of the 3 angles to be $180^{\circ}=\pi$.

Do you understand how I computed the values of the individual angles?
 
Yes I'm referring on the interior problem, since our teacher provided this formula only for the discussion

the Tangent = m2+m1/ 1 + m1m2

Which the goal is to have an equal 180 degrees or 179.9 as possible.
 
Could I manage to have an exact 180 degrees with the formula of tangent
m2-m1/1+m1m2 ?

- - - Updated - - -

Well nevermind, got already.

Thank you for the time. :)
 
jamescv31 said:
Yes I'm referring on the interior problem, since our teacher provided this formula only for the discussion

the Tangent = m2+m1/ 1 + m1m2

Which the goal is to have an equal 180 degrees or 179.9 as possible.

Okay, well using the formula you originally gave, we find:

$$A=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{m_b-m_c}{1+m_am_b} \right)=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{3-\frac{7}{4}}{1+3\cdot\frac{7}{4}} \right)=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{1}{5} \right)\approx0.197395559849881$$

$$B=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{m_c-m_a}{1+m_am_c} \right)=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{\frac{1}{2}-\frac{7}{4}}{1+\frac{1}{2}\cdot\frac{7}{4}} \right)=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{2}{3} \right)\approx0.588002603547568$$

$$C=\pi+\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{m_a-m_b}{1+m_am_b} \right)=\pi+\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{\frac{1}{2}-3}{1+\frac{1}{2}\cdot3} \right)=\pi+\tan^{-1}\left(-1 \right)=\pi-\frac{\pi}{4}=\frac{3\pi}{4}$$

Note: For angle $C$ it was necessary to add $\pi$ to get the angle in the correct quadrant.

If we convert the angles to degrees, we find:

$$A\approx11.31^{\circ}$$

$$B\approx33.69^{\circ}$$

$$C=135^{\circ}$$

We see then that:

$$A+B+C\approx180^{\circ}$$
 

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