Unravelling the Mystery of the Huns

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The discussion centers on the origins and historical impact of the Huns, exploring their potential connections to Turkic groups and their influence on Eastern and Central Europe, particularly regarding their invasions and the subsequent effects on the Roman Empire. The conversation includes various perspectives on the ancestry of the Huns and their relationship to other ethnic groups in the region.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the Huns originated in the Steppes of Central Asia and may be linked to Turkic or proto-Turkic groups.
  • There is mention of the Chinese reference to Hsiung-nu (Xiongnu) as possibly being an early reference to the Huns.
  • Others argue that the Huns had a significant impact on the destabilization of the Roman Empire due to their invasions and establishment of an empire in Europe.
  • One participant notes that the Magyars are the ancestors of modern Hungarians and suggests that the Huns settled in the Hungarian Plain during the 5th century.
  • Another participant highlights that the ancestry of the Huns remains uncertain, with possibilities of Turkic origins or connections to groups from Northern or Eastern Siberia.
  • There are references to various ethnic groups that existed in the region before the Huns, including the Goths, Scythians, Alans, and Avars.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about specific historical practices attributed to Attila the Hun and the nature of warfare during that time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the origins of the Huns, their connections to other ethnic groups, and the historical implications of their invasions. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on specific claims.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of definitive evidence regarding the ancestry of the Huns and the various interpretations of historical sources. The discussion reflects ongoing debates about the relationships between different groups in the region.

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The origin of the Huns is a mystery and subject of much debate. They originated in the Steppes of Central Asia as did other groups. There is evidence that they are a Turkic or proto-Turkic group. The Chinese (Qin) referred to Hsiung-nu (Xiongnu), and some/many consider this an early reference to the group(s) subsequently known as the Huns. The Huns had an enormous impact on Eastern and Central Europe based on their invasion, establishment of an empire in the area of the Danube and Hungarian Plain, and military predation which pressured other ethnic groups to move west or submit. The Hunnic presence in Europe seems to have contributed significantly to the destabilization and decline of the Roman Empire.

Here is one site on the Huns -
http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesEurope/BarbarianHuns.htm

The Bulgars (who settle in modern day Bulgaria) and Maygars (who settled in modern day Hungary) may be descended from the group lead by Attila.
http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/EasternBulgaria.htm
http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/EasternHungary.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Dynasty
 
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Isn't Atilla the Hun the guy who ripped apart his enemies's hands??
 
Phy6explorer said:
Isn't Atilla the Hun the guy who ripped apart his enemies's hands??
Not sure, but if one crossed him, one's head was likely to turn up on a post. The warring tribes back then had rather nasty practices.
 
I was taught that all invasions from central Asia including Mongol and Khan were Turkic tribes seeking grasslands for their horses and other animals to graze. Hungary definitely descends from Huns, it is in their name and the same with Bulgaria.
 
Magyars are the ancestors of Hungarians, but certain the Huns settled on the Hungarian plane during the 5th cent. Bulgarians are related to Bulgars, but there are other ethnic tribes mixed in. The Goths/Scythians were settled there before the arrival of the Huns, and preceding the Huns were various groups including the Alans, Avars, Samartians (Persian speaking), . . . .

The ancestry of the Huns is still up in the air. They could have Turkic orgins same or similar to Uighurs/Uyghurs, one of the Altai groups. There is a group call Hsiung-Nu (Xiongnu), which might be earlier Turkic group related to Huns. Then there is a possibility of origin from N or E Siberia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu#Northern_Xiongnu_becoming_the_Huns

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyars

I'm still trying to sort out who, from where, and when.
 

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