Unveiling the Connection Between SR and Multiparticle Picture in QM

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The discussion explores the relationship between special relativity (SR) and quantum mechanics (QM), specifically focusing on how the integration of these theories leads to the multiparticle picture in quantum field theory. Participants seek to understand the underlying reasons and implications of this connection, addressing both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the appearance of negative energy states necessitates a multiparticle picture.
  • Others argue that the second time derivative in the equations prevents |psi|^2 from being interpreted as a probability, leading to the conclusion that psi must be treated as an operator.
  • A participant questions how Lorentz invariance, as implied by SR, contributes to the emergence of the multiparticle picture.
  • One participant proposes that the Klein-Gordon field cannot be interpreted as a wavefunction and must be promoted to an operator, which allows for the interpretation of Fourier coefficients as operators that change the number of particles in a state.
  • Another participant discusses the need for a proper definition of "relativistic QM," suggesting that it involves a group homomorphism from the Poincaré group into the group of automorphisms on the set of states.
  • It is noted that each particle species corresponds to an irreducible representation, and the construction of n-particle states leads to the concept of Fock space for non-interacting particles.
  • One participant emphasizes that SR combined with QM does not directly yield a multiparticle picture but rather provides multiple perspectives on single particles.
  • A later reply challenges the notion that quantized fields are irreducible representations, stating that one-particle subspaces for stable particles carry nearly irreducible representations of the Poincaré group.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the connection between SR and QM, with no consensus reached on the exact mechanisms that lead to the multiparticle picture. Multiple competing views remain, particularly regarding the interpretation of fields and representations.

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Participants reference complex mathematical arguments and definitions that may not be fully resolved within the discussion, indicating limitations in assumptions and scope regarding the relationship between SR and QM.

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Why is it that when we combine SR with QM we are lead directly to the multiparticle picture. I know about the standard textbooks, I need to know EXACTLY why? What is it in SR that produces the multiparticle picture.
 
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The appearance of negative energy states requires a multiparticle picture.
Also the appearance of a second time derivative prevents |psi|^2 from being a probability, so psi must become an operator.
 
clem said:
The appearance of negative energy states requires a multiparticle picture.
Also the appearance of a second time derivative prevents |psi|^2 from being a probability, so psi must become an operator.

Thanks. Let me ask the same question from a different angle. What is it about lorentz invariance implied by SR that leads to multiparticle picture.
 
qsa said:
Why is it that when we combine SR with QM we are lead directly to the multiparticle picture. I know about the standard textbooks, I need to know EXACTLY why? What is it in SR that produces the multiparticle picture.
I suspect that what you have in mind is the fact that the Klein-Gordon field can't be interpreted as a wavefunction, already mentioned by clem. If that field is promoted to an operator, by imposing commutation relations on its Fourier coefficients, the Fourier coefficients can be interpreted as operators that change the number of particles of the state they act on. This is a very weak argument at best, so you might as well forget about it. If you want to read about it anyway, I think it's explained in Mandl & Shaw. (Not 100% sure...it's been a long time since I read it).

To define "relativistic QM" properly, we need to incorporate the idea that spacetime is Minkowski spacetime into QM. This can be done e.g. by postulating that there must exist a group homomorphism from the Poincaré group into the group of automorphisms on the set of states. There are some complicated mathematical arguments that can translate this into "There exists a group homomorphism from the covering group of the Poincaré group into the group of unitary operators on a complex separable Hilbert space".

Such a homomorphism is called a unitary representation. A subspace M of the Hilbert space is said to be an invariant subspace for an operator T if T(M) is a subset of M. The representation is a map [itex]g\mapsto U(g)[/itex] where U(g) is a unitary operator. It's said to be irreducible if no U(g) has an invariant subspace, other than {0} and the entire Hilbert space.

Each particle species is identified with an irreducible representation. The Hilbert space of an irreducible representation is interpreted as the set of 1-particle states for the particle species identified by the representation.

The 1-particle Hilbert spaces can be used to construct Hilbert spaces of n-particle states, and the n-particle Hilbert spaces can be combined into a single Hilbert space called a Fock space. This is the Hilbert space that's appropriate for a theory of an arbitrary number of non-interacting particles.

So SR+QM doesn't give you a picture of multiple particles. It gives you many pictures of single particles. I don't know a better place to start reading about these things than chapter 2 of Weinberg's QFT book. If you're going to read it, you might want to read a few pages from this talk first, where he explains his thoughts about what QFT is.

When I wrote something similar in another thread, arkajad posted this comment:
arkajad said:
Quantized fields are not irreducible representations. But one-particle subspaces, for stable particles, carry nearly irreducible representations of the Poincare group. Why only "nearly"? Because we have to leave the room for parities, charges, other internal degrees of freedom. So, irreducible representations of the Poincare group enter with some (usually finite) multiplicity.
 
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