US Army Humvee Driving: Rush Hour in Baghdad

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The thread discusses a video depicting American soldiers driving through traffic in Baghdad, raising questions about military conduct, the nature of the video, and the broader implications of military presence in urban environments. Participants explore various perspectives on the behavior of soldiers, the reactions of civilians, and the authenticity of the footage.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the authenticity of the video, suggesting it may have been filmed in South Central L.A. instead of Baghdad.
  • Others argue that the driving behavior of soldiers is justified due to the risks of ambush and the chaotic nature of the environment.
  • There are differing opinions on whether the actions of the soldiers constitute inappropriate use of military vehicles.
  • Some participants question the accents of the soldiers in the video, suggesting they do not sound like typical American accents.
  • Several comments reflect on the broader implications of military actions and the perception of soldiers in conflict zones, with some expressing disgust at the war itself.
  • Participants discuss the potential for the video to be staged or a gag, with some asserting that the harsh driving tactics are a reality faced by soldiers.
  • One participant shares a personal anecdote about chaotic driving in Palermo, Italy, drawing parallels to the situation depicted in the video.
  • Concerns are raised about the treatment of civilians and the ethical implications of military conduct in urban settings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the authenticity of the video or the appropriateness of the soldiers' actions. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of military engagement in civilian areas and the implications of such behavior.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the definitions of military conduct versus civilian interactions, as well as the assumptions underlying participants' interpretations of the video and the soldiers' actions.

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American soldiers plow through rush hour traffic in Baghdad. There's a swearword at the very end, so sensitive folks, cover your ears.
 
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And the US government expects to be 'winning the hearts and minds' of Iraqis while US soldiers are running people off the road. :rolleyes:
 
Just one question, where are the American soldiers?
 
Evo said:
Just one question, where are the American soldiers?
They are supposed to be the drivers I guess. But maybe they do have a good reason to rush. Maybe they are driving a pregnant mother to the hospital ! :rolleyes:
 
The YouTube poster 'splains it like this:
Watch and see how the American soldiers have to drive through Iraqi streets to limit risks of attacks.
 
Uh oh, this has been debunked. It is actually video taken in S Central L.A.
 
Ivan Seeking said:
Uh oh, this has been debunked. It is actually video taken in S Central L.A.

:smile: :smile: :smile:
 
I don't blame them one bit. Id smash the hell outa every car in my way. They are beeping, are the people deaf?
 
There sure are a lot of jaywalkers in Bagdad! :bugeye:

It has to be a tough situation...how do they know if someone is just driving slow or if they're purposely trying to obstruct the road to slow them down and make them a target?

Though, are you sure they're American? At the end, they're speaking English, but it doesn't sound like any accent I've ever heard in the US. About 3/4 of the way through the clip, they say something else that I can't even understand the accent sounds so thick. Can anyone else place the accent?
 
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How else can you free people?
 
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Sound like normal American to me.

It has to be a tough situation...how do they know if someone is just driving slow or if they're purposely trying to obstruct the road to slow them down and make them a target?

You assume that everyone is trying to obstruct you and drive exactly how they are driving.


:smile: No one even cares. The people on the side walk are about to get run over and don't even flinch...classic 3rd world driving.


AHAHAHH I just say the beginning of office space when he's stuck in traffic. Ah, the irony.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
Uh oh, this has been debunked. It is actually video taken in S Central L.A.

I was actually thinking Santa Monica. I've nearly been mowed down several times in the crosswalks.
 
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I've been in a car in downtown Palermo, Italy. I wish I could get my hands on a video of that, you just would not believe it. It's like bumper cars with an attitude. I didn't stop screaming the whole time.

Then they park 4 deep in the street and actually walk over all the blocked cars to get to the sidewalk, that is if there aren't cars already parked on the sidewalk.

I noticed the same thing with the accent that Moonbear did. Although it would be believable that Amercian soldiers are forced to drive like this in order not to be ambushed. I can't blame the soldiers.
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
:smile: No one even cares. The people on the side walk are about to get run over and don't even flinch...classic 3rd world driving.

The reaction of the drivers and pedestrians to just take their time in spite of them playing bumper cars suggests this is pretty commonplace there.
 
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I think I'd rather get bumped aside by a Humvee than have one sitting next to me in traffic. The odds of having someone take a shot at them at any given time might be fairly small, but there's a set upper limit to the damage getting bumped can do, as opposed to being next to a Humvee at the wrong time.
 
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This whole war disgusts me
 
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FUNKER said:
This whole war disgusts me
Are there other wars you approve of? Think back to what has happened in other wars. This war surely has less going on due to media coverage. Doesn't mean that stupid people don't do stupid things. Also, this seemed staged, a gag, it was just too hokey. If it was real, they will be tried for their stupidity, as they should be. No one would condone such activity.

Previous war crimes were much more heinous and usually went unpunished.
 
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Evo said:
Are there other wars you approve of? Think back to what has happened in other wars. This war surely has less going on due to media coverage. Doesn't mean that stupid people don't do stupid things. Also, this seemed staged, a gag, it was just too hokey. If it was real, they will be tried for their stupidity, as they should be. No one would condone such activity.

Previous war crimes were much more heinous and usually went unpunished.

Whats staged the humvee clip? I am pretty sure they actually do drive like that. They are not going to sit around so someone can shoot RPG's at their humvee.

I think the driver was being really nice. I would move them much harder if I were behind the wheel.
 
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Just the power that corrupts all in these situations, big gun = power. I guess I should just say ' Welcome to war'
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
Whats staged the humvee clip? I am pretty sure they actually do drive like that. They are not going to sit around so someone can shoot RPG's at their humvee.

I think the driver was being really nice. I would move them much harder if I were behind the wheel.
No, you're looking at wrong clip, I'm talking about the taxi crushing video.
 
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IF there is only one swear word, I would suspect a fake.
 
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I doubt its fake, I've seen several frontlines where the security forces drive like that.
 
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Evo said:
Also, this seemed staged, a gag, it was just too hokey.
Not unless PBS is now into staging gags. That clip was from a Frontline documentary.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/truth/

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/truth/view/http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/truth/view/

PS: Anyone that hasn't seen this documentary before, you can watch the whole thing from the second link above. It's an excellent piece.
 
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While it may seem harsh, you have to remember at the time that people were looting literally everything. I mean, they were even taking things like the light switches from inside buildings.

You have to put that to a stop, and the only way is by harsh punishment if your caught.
 
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Well, right or wrong, I'm just glad that it has all worked out so well.
 
  • #28
You forgot [/sarcasm]...now your going to get 50 people taking you literally.
 
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Gokul43201 said:
Not unless PBS is now into staging gags. That clip was from a Frontline documentary.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/truth/

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/truth/view/http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/truth/view/

PS: Anyone that hasn't seen this documentary before, you can watch the whole thing from the second link above. It's an excellent piece.
The second link's not working.

I just found it really strange that it was an Iraqi supposedly filming this and that the soldier was friendly and openly explaining what they were doing. Doesn't make any sense. You'd think if they thought what they were doing was illegal that they wouldn't want to be filmed, much less openly talk about it. But from the transcript of the episode you linked to, this really sums it up.

"Right, there's a major difference between military and police. Soldiers are trained to deal with soldiers. They're trained to deal with opposition armies. They're not trained to deal with civilians. There's a different ethos here. Police are trained to deal with civilians. They're trained to interact on a whole different basis. So while soldiers are trained to, as one officer said, "shoot people and break things", police are trained to preserve and protect."
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
You forgot [/sarcasm]...now your going to get 50 people taking you literally.

Yes, and if the tables were turned I'd probably be the first. :blushing: :redface:
 

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