Validity of a paper on the standard conclusions from Bell, etc

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The discussion centers around the validity of a paper questioning popular interpretations of quantum entanglement, particularly regarding the nature of information transfer between entangled particles and the implications of distance on this transfer. Participants explore the paper's claims, its relevance, and the experimental evidence surrounding entanglement.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the paper challenges the interpretation that quantum information changes instantaneously regardless of distance between entangled particles.
  • One participant expresses confusion over the author's premise, questioning the clarity of terms like "unambiguous" and the definition of "large separations" in the context of entanglement experiments.
  • Another participant mentions that the paper suggests a subluminal interaction might be responsible for entanglement, but argues that the paper is outdated given recent experimental results.
  • Participants reference specific experiments that demonstrate entanglement without interaction, including swapping of entanglement and creation of entangled pairs from independent sources.
  • One participant concludes that the paper may only be of historical interest based on the current understanding and experimental evidence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and relevance of the paper, with some questioning its claims and others suggesting it lacks contemporary merit. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the paper or the implications of its arguments.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the paper's claims, such as the omission of key experiments and the ambiguity in terminology used by the author. The discussion reflects ongoing debates in the field regarding the nature of entanglement and the interpretation of experimental results.

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In most popular explanations of entanglement, the quantum information of an entangled two-particle system changes without regard to the distance between the two particles. The following paper seems (to my unprofessional eye) to be questioning this interpretation
https://www.cambridge.org/core/serv..._fiction_how_wrong_was_einstein_after_all.pdf
As it was published in Cambridge Press, I presume that it has some merit, but perhaps an eye better trained than mine could glance at it and hazard a judgement as to the validity of the author's doubts? Thanks.
 
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nomadreid said:
In most popular explanations of entanglement, the quantum information of an entangled two-particle system changes without regard to the distance between the two particles. The following paper seems (to my unprofessional eye) to be questioning this interpretation
https://www.cambridge.org/core/serv..._fiction_how_wrong_was_einstein_after_all.pdf
As it was published in Cambridge Press, I presume that it has some merit, but perhaps an eye better trained than mine could glance at it and hazard a judgement as to the validity of the author's doubts? Thanks.

I don't follow the author's premise.

Similarly, no experiment seems yet to provide unambiguous evidence of remaining entanglement between single photons at large separations in absence of mutual interaction, or about immediate (superluminal) communication. ... The author suggests an experiment to decide whether or not photons may be entangled when no longer in field contact with each other.

I am not sure what Norden is trying to say with the above, as the phrases can mean different things to different people. "Unambiguous"? All the experiments I reference are pretty unambiguous. Large separations? There have been some pretty large separations, how large is large? Recent experiments are referenced, but a number of key ones are omitted. For example:

1. Swapping of entanglement - the entangled photons never interact.
2. Creation of entangled pairs from independent (separated) sources.
 
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nomadreid said:
In most popular explanations of entanglement, the quantum information of an entangled two-particle system changes without regard to the distance between the two particles. The following paper seems (to my unprofessional eye) to be questioning this interpretation
https://www.cambridge.org/core/serv..._fiction_how_wrong_was_einstein_after_all.pdf
As it was published in Cambridge Press, I presume that it has some merit, but perhaps an eye better trained than mine could glance at it and hazard a judgement as to the validity of the author's doubts? Thanks.
The paper is suggesting that there might be subluminal interaction responsible for entanglement.
But the paper was outdated at the moment of publication. There were three loophole free experiment results published in 2015:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1508.05949
http://arxiv.org/abs/1511.03189
http://arxiv.org/abs/1511.03190
 
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Thanks, zonde and DrChinese. I can therefore shelve the paper into "at best of historical interest".
 

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