Value of studying number theory?

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The discussion revolves around the value of studying number theory within the broader context of mathematics. Participants explore its relevance to pure mathematics, practical applications, and personal interests in the subject.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that number theory may be an exception to the interconnectedness of mathematical fields, noting a lack of techniques from number theory being applied elsewhere.
  • Another participant advocates for studying all areas of mathematics, citing the eventual practical applications of seemingly abstract concepts, referencing W. H. Hardy's views on pure mathematics.
  • A retired mathematician shares personal experience, indicating that their lack of study in number theory did not hinder their mathematical journey.
  • One participant emphasizes the historical significance of number theory in pure mathematics, arguing that understanding its origins can deepen comprehension of other mathematical concepts.
  • A participant expresses fascination with the applications of number theory in cryptography and code-breaking, suggesting further reading on the topic.
  • Another participant expresses apprehension about the difficulty of number theory but acknowledges the importance of overcoming challenges in learning mathematics.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that while number theory is important for some, it may be irrelevant for others, recommending a focus on calculus first before exploring various mathematical directions.
  • One participant shares practical experiences, stating that number theory has been more useful in their professional life than calculus, particularly in forensic accounting and problem-solving.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the importance of number theory, with some advocating for its study due to its historical significance and applications, while others question its relevance based on personal experience. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of number theory for all mathematicians.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight varying personal experiences and interests, indicating that the value of number theory may depend on individual goals and career paths. There is no consensus on its overall importance or applicability across different fields of mathematics.

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It seems that no matter how unrelated two subjects of mathematics appear to be, there are always ways to use techniques from one area of math and use it to prove many useful results in the other, and vice versa.

However, from my (inexperienced) point of view, number theory seems to be the only exception to this. That is to say, many mathematicians use techniques from other fields to prove results in number theory, but I very rarely see number-theoretical techniques applied to other fields. I’m not sure if this is due to my unseasoned mathematical knowledge or if the statement has a degree of truth to it.

That being said, would it be a good use of my time to study, at the very least, elementary number theory? Or would my efforts be better used to build up my foundations in other areas of mathematics?
 
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Personally, I would study all the math you can and not drop anything.

W. H. Hardy wrote the book "The Mathematician's Apology" stating that the math he worked on had no practical application and that that was the most beautiful math of all. However, it was later used in cryptographic analysis and code development.

I think all math is like that, an answer in search of a problem so one shouldn't discard it because we don't yet know what to do with it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Mathematician's_Apology
 
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It very much depends on your interests. I am a retired mathematician - I never studied number theory.
 
Yes, it is a good idea to learn number theory if you want to learn pure math. Why? Because number theory has had a very important role in the history of pure math. Many of the techniques and concepts we use today come directly from number theory.

I always feel it is important to know how a certain concept was invented and what its original uses were. This will help you understand mathematics on a much deeper level, and it will make certain important math concepts be less unmotivated. I think this is a very good way of learning things. If you want to learn this way, then knowing number theory is essential. For example, concepts like ideals and other concepts in abstract algebra come directly from number theory. A lot of techniques in complex analysis were also motivated by number theory.

So while number theory might not be strictly necessary to understand other math, it has a big motivational role.
 
Ugh, I was afraid you guys were going to say that, especially since number theory is a big wall for me. :cry:

Although I guess we all encounter walls at some point, anyway, and from what you guys say I guess I should try to get by it. Thanks for the perspective guys!
 
Mirero said:
Ugh, I was afraid you guys were going to say that, especially since number theory is a big wall for me. :cry:

Although I guess we all encounter walls at some point, anyway, and from what you guys say I guess I should try to get by it. Thanks for the perspective guys!
I suggest that if you want to learn math, get through calculus. After that there are many directions to go - number theory is important for some, but for others it is irrelevant.
 
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In terms of a variety of jobs I have had, I have used number theory more often than calculus. The most helpful topics have been finding solutions to diophantine equations and the concept of check digits. Number theory is particularly helpful for forensic accounting.

In my experience, number theory allows for the invention or engineering of mathematical solutions in a way that I have not experienced with other disciplines.
 

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