Vancouver Plane Crash: Latest Updates

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The discussion centers around the Vancouver plane crash, with participants sharing updates, personal experiences, and reflections on aviation safety, emergency landings, and historical incidents related to aircraft emergencies.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express relief that they were not on the flight, noting that the odds of injury are higher in road traffic compared to aviation.
  • It is mentioned that in the Netherlands, emergency landings on roads are prohibited due to the risk posed to dense traffic.
  • A participant references the Kegworth air disaster, highlighting the creative interpretation of landing regulations and the potential consequences of a crash on a busy motorway.
  • Another participant discusses the mechanical failure that led to the Kegworth disaster, emphasizing the crew's misdiagnosis of the engine failure as a critical factor.
  • There is a mention of unique landing practices in Alaska, where roads may serve as runways, although the current status of this practice is uncertain.
  • One participant argues that poor cockpit ergonomics and crew coordination contributed to the Kegworth disaster, suggesting that single-pilot operations could mitigate such confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on aviation safety and emergency landing protocols, with no clear consensus on the best practices or the implications of the discussed incidents.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific historical incidents and regulations, but the discussion lacks detailed technical analysis of the crashes mentioned. There are assumptions about the current state of aviation practices in Alaska that remain unverified.

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Luckily you didn't use that flight to go anywhere. Sad as it is, but the odds of getting hurt is a lot bigger with road traffic.

In The Netherlands it's prohibited to attempt an emergency landing on a road, because it would also endanger the -always dense- traffic.
 
Andre said:
In The Netherlands it's prohibited to attempt an emergency landing on a road, because it would also endanger the -always dense- traffic.

Same in the UK, but these guys made quite a "creative" interpretation of "not landing on a road..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kegworth_air_disaster

In the picture on the wiki page, there are two separate parallel multi-lane roads with central reservations (and one of the central reservations has a set of runway landing lights installed on it.)

If they had crashed a few meters shorter, they would have blocked 6 lanes of traffic traveling at 70 - 80 mph on the UK's main North-South motorway :bugeye:

The root cause was a mechanical failure, followed by the flight crew wrongly diagnosing whcih engine had failed. (Not a good call, on a two-engine plane).
 
Andre said:
Luckily you didn't use that flight to go anywhere. Sad as it is, but the odds of getting hurt is a lot bigger with road traffic.

In The Netherlands it's prohibited to attempt an emergency landing on a road, because it would also endanger the -always dense- traffic.

In some places in Alaska, the road is the runway. The pilot makes a low pass to let everyone know he's coming in, circles around and lands.

Actually, I'm not sure if it's like that still - it was when I lived there.
 
AlephZero said:
Same in the UK, but these guys made quite a "creative" interpretation of "not landing on a road..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kegworth_air_disaster

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The root cause was a mechanical failure, followed by the flight crew wrongly diagnosing whcih engine had failed. (Not a good call, on a two-engine plane).



Yes I studied that mishap. It was a combination of very poor cockpit ergonomics, ie in the layout of engine instruments and aircrew coordination aka confusion.

It exactly the kind of mishap that made me make an unexpected support case for single pilot operation in this thread. Then only one pilot had to figure out what the affected engine was.
 

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