Varying determinant of a metric

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the variation of the determinant of a metric, specifically addressing the expression \(\delta (det|g_{\mu\nu}|)\) and its relation to variations in the metric tensor \(g_{\mu\nu}\). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to differential geometry and tensor calculus.

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  • One participant inquires about the calculation of \(\delta (det|g_{\mu\nu}|)\) or \(\delta g\).
  • Another participant suggests using Jacobi's formula for the calculation, proposing that \(\delta g = g g_{\mu \nu} \delta(g^{\mu \nu})\).
  • A similar expression is presented by another participant, stating \(\delta g = g g^{\mu\nu} \delta g_{\mu\nu}\).
  • A participant points out a potential sign error in the previous expressions, asserting that \(\delta g_{\mu\nu} = - g^{\mu\alpha} g^{\nu\beta} \delta g_{\alpha\beta}\) and provides a special case to illustrate this point.
  • The same participant confirms their earlier assertion about the sign error by comparing results from different expressions involving variations of the metric tensor.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the derivation process, indicating they have reached an expression involving \(\delta g^{\mu p}\) but are unsure how to proceed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of the sign in the expressions for \(\delta g\). There is no consensus on the final form of the variation, and confusion remains regarding the derivation process.

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Some participants' arguments depend on specific assumptions about the metric tensor and its variations, which may not be universally accepted or clarified in the discussion.

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Hi does anyone know how to calculate:

[itex]\delta (det|g_{\mu\nu}|) or simply \delta g[/itex]
 
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Or equivalently,

δg = g gμν δgμν
 
You should get δg=ggμνδ(gμν)
Actually I believe this answer has a sign error, and does not correspond to what I wrote, since δgμν = - gμα gνβ δgαβ.

A quick way to check the sign is to consider a special case, gμν = λ ημν under the variation δλ. For this case,

gμν = λ-1 ημν and g = -λ4, so δgμν = ημν δλ and δg = -4 λ3 δλ.

The minus sign agrees with the expression I gave, namely g gμν δgμν = (-λ4)(λ-1ημν)(ημν δλ).

However the other expression g gμν δ(gμν) = (-λ4)(λ ημν)(-λ-2) (ημν δλ) comes out positive, which is incorrect.
 
Bill_K said:
Actually I believe this answer has a sign error, and does not correspond to what I wrote, since δgμν = - gμα gνβ δgαβ.

A quick way to check the sign is to consider a special case, gμν = λ ημν under the variation δλ. For this case,

gμν = λ-1 ημν and g = -λ4, so δgμν = ημν δλ and δg = -4 λ3 δλ.

The minus sign agrees with the expression I gave, namely g gμν δgμν = (-λ4)(λ-1ημν)(ημν δλ).

However the other expression g gμν δ(gμν) = (-λ4)(λ ημν)(-λ-2) (ημν δλ) comes out positive, which is incorrect.

You're right. Thanks for the correction.
 
yeah thanks i knew the answer but had absolutely no idea how to get it, I end up with [itex]g^{\nu\rho}g_{p\mu}\delta g^{\mu p}=-g^{\nu\rho}g^{\mu p} \delta g_{p\mu}[/itex] and am not sure how to proceed from here, there is clearly relabelling but I am still a bit stuck.
 

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