Verify using Mathematical Induction

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The discussion revolves around verifying the mathematical statement involving factorials using mathematical induction. Participants explore the steps necessary for establishing the base case and the inductive step, focusing on the expression 1(1!)+2(2!)+...+n(n!) = (n+1)! - 1.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in verifying the statement using induction.
  • Another participant suggests verifying the base case P(1) as a starting point for induction.
  • A participant explains the analogy of dominoes to illustrate the principle of mathematical induction, emphasizing the need for both a base case and an inductive step.
  • There is a mathematical manipulation proposed to transform the expression, but its clarity and correctness are questioned.
  • One participant acknowledges understanding the nth case but struggles with the n+1th case, indicating confusion about the induction process.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of clearly defining the property P(n) that needs to be proven, suggesting that the statement should be explicitly written for both the base case and the induction step.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to establish a base case and the inductive step for the proof. However, there is no consensus on the specific steps to take or the clarity of the proposed methods, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the correct formulation of the induction hypothesis and the necessary steps to transition from P(k) to P(k+1). There is also a lack of agreement on the clarity of the mathematical manipulations presented.

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Verify that

1(1!)+2(2!)+...+n(n!) = (n+1)! - 1

is true using induction
This problem has me stumped...
 
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Re: Mathematical Induction

Hello and welcome to MHB, Guilmon! (Wave)

Have you verified this is true for the base case $P_1$?
 
Re: Mathematical Induction

Guilmon said:
Verify that

1(1!)+2(2!)+...+n(n!) = (n+1)! - 1

is true using induction
This problem has me stumped...

If you theoretically could line up a row that is infinitely long, then you know that any domino will push the next one over, as long as the first domino is pushed. Mathematical induction works the same way. You need to prove a statement for a base case (which is equivalent to pushing the first domino), and then you need an inductive step, which is to prove that IF the statement is true for an arbitrary case, THEN the statement will be true for the next (which is equivalent to any domino pushing the next one over).

So how do you think you would go about proving the base case?
 
Re: Mathematical Induction

Guilmon said:
Verify that

1(1!)+2(2!)+...+n(n!) = (n+1)! - 1

is true using induction
This problem has me stumped...

With simple steps You can verify that is...

$(n+1)!-1 = (n+1)\ n! -1 = n\ n! + n! -1$ (1)

What does You suggest (1)?...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
The nth case I understand. It is the n+1th case that has me stumped.
 
After having verified $P_1$ is true, I would next state the induction hypothesis $P_k$:

$$\sum_{i=1}^k(i\cdot i!)=(k+1)!-1$$

Now, our goal is to algebraically transform $P_k$ into $P_{k+1}$.

What do you think we should do to both sides of $P_k$ to meet that goal?
 
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Guilmon said:
The nth case I understand. It is the n+1th case that has me stumped.
I am still not sure that you understand how induction works and what has to be proved (not how it is proved). There is no separate nth and (n+1)th cases in a proof by induction.

To make sure we are on the same page, I recommend starting from the very beginning: identifying the property P(n) that you need to prove for all n. Without this step, everything else is useless. Note that P(n) has to be true or false for each concrete n; in particular, P(n) cannot be a number such as 1(1!)+2(2!)+...+n(n!). Identifying P(n) in simple cases is easy: just remove the words "for all n" (if they are present) from the claim you are asked to prove. In this case, P(n) is the equality 1(1!)+2(2!)+...+n(n!) = (n+1)! - 1.

Next, you need to know how to write P(0) (or P(1)) and P(n+1). To do this, replace n with 0 (or 1, or n+1, respectively) everywhere in P(n).

Now you should be able to write the base case P(0) (or P(1)) and the induction step: "For all n, P(n) implies P(n+1)". Write both claims explicitly, replacing P by its definition. Only when you do this, you'll know what you need to prove. How to prove it is the following step.
 

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