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War, space, and the evolution of Old World complex societies

  1. Sep 24, 2013 #1

    jim mcnamara

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    War, space, and the evolution of Old World complex societies
    Peter Turchina, Thomas E. Currieb, Edward A. L. Turnerc, and Sergey Gavrilets

    Intense warfare as an explanatory model for driving the development of stable complex societies.

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  3. Sep 26, 2013 #2


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    What is wanted is peace and prosperity; complex societies are one way of obtaining that desired result.

    Unfortunately, as history has shown repeatedly, there are other ingredients including technological change, plague, and distant events.

    Technology: the taming of the horse and the invention of the chariot destabilized the middle east ~1500 BC.
    the mastery of iron smelting ended the late bronze age ~1200 BC

    Plague: the Byzantine empire was ravaged by plague during the reign of Justinian, ~550 AD.
    the Black Death weakened all of the kingdoms of Europe ~1350 AD, leading to wars all over.

    Distant events: troubles in the far east lead to the migration of the Goths from the Ukraine to the Roman borders, soon followed by the Huns. This lead to major changes in all of the "complex systems" of ~400 AD
    Religious innovations from the Arabian peninsula, combined with lingering political and social issues lead to the destruction of the Byzantine possessions in the middle east and north Africa, and the complete destruction of the Persian empire.

    When it is shown that the old ways no longer work, innovators try new things ... thus trench warfare was used in WW I, but only fox holes were used in WW II: mobility was valued over stationary, defensive lines as attack was shown to be the decisive tactic ... as long as you could sustain the attack, and hold the ground behind your lines.
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